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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#120526: Apr 29th 2016 at 2:25:30 PM

[up][up] Same.

I could deal with the flip-flopping and the big money ties, but the FBI thing genuinely worries me.

edited 29th Apr '16 2:26:23 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#120527: Apr 29th 2016 at 2:25:34 PM

I'm pretty sure that even if Clinton wanted to talk about it she's prohibited by law because it's an ongoing investigation. Except to say that it's ridiculous, but even acknowledging it at this point (and frankly it hasn't been in the news lately so there's probably not much interesting going on at the moment) would be very odd for her to do.

I don't think it's going to amount to anything more than it already has.

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#120528: Apr 29th 2016 at 2:26:28 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Fifth Amendment, eh? I can't see that one flying.

On the other matter, I can't blame Hillary for sticking to her center-left platform: she has to be concerned that, with Trump the presumptive GOP nominee, a hard-left stance would alienate the moderate voters she needs to beat him.

edited 29th Apr '16 2:27:29 PM by Fighteer

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#120529: Apr 29th 2016 at 2:29:32 PM

[up]

And yet, ironically, that's the demographic that Sanders was tapping into with his campaign. That said, it would also seem enormously disingenuous of her if she adopted some of his platform, given her previous opposition to those ideas.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#120530: Apr 29th 2016 at 2:33:56 PM

If anything, Hil will be more centrist in the general.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#120532: Apr 29th 2016 at 2:43:47 PM

[up][up][up] A demographic that he tapped into and lost. In the place where that Demographic had the best chance of granting him a victory.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#120533: Apr 29th 2016 at 2:57:51 PM

That period. Should have been a comma.

Clinton supporters, your candidate won. I'm happy for you, and I'mma let you finish. But if you don't want Bernie's voters to stay home in the general out of disgust, how about welcoming and embracing them, instead of rubbing salt on their wounds?

If the primaries had been open, Sanders would have won, apparently. He couldn't tap into independent voters when they weren't allowed to vote, now, could he?

edited 29th Apr '16 3:02:56 PM by TheHandle

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#120534: Apr 29th 2016 at 3:10:01 PM

[up][up]

Keep in mind that he also had Closed Primaries to contend with, so a number of those Independents couldn't vote for him in a Primary - myself being one of them, due to NY's absolutely idiotic restrictionnote .

[down]

In my case, the objection isn't so much to the Closed primary system so much as NY's overly-restrictive incarnation of it.

edited 29th Apr '16 5:06:23 PM by ironballs16

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#120535: Apr 29th 2016 at 3:33:18 PM

One wonders why the hell non-Democrats should be allowed to vote in the Democratic primary. If you're not even a member of the party, then why should the party give you a say in nominating their candidate?

edited 29th Apr '16 3:33:55 PM by NativeJovian

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#120536: Apr 29th 2016 at 3:38:08 PM

Well (yet again) so much for the idea that Sanders is planning to split the convention.

I suspect that Clinton will be welcoming to Sanders supporters, he's probably going to stick around and make sure they don't wonder off. I suspect that you'll get a fair number turning out because Sanders said they should rather then because Clinton actually reached out.

I'm just enjoying how the narrative of "Sanders is an asshole on a warpath bent on destroying the party by contesting the convention" has shattered against the hard facts of reality. tongue

[up] Hey I can't understand your system at all, in most countries you pay membership fees to join a political party and can get kicked out if you say something stupid.

edited 29th Apr '16 3:40:48 PM by Silasw

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#120537: Apr 29th 2016 at 3:45:37 PM

There are so many wrong narratives on the Dem side that it's really hard to sort them all out and unpack them.

Here's a counterpoint to that closed primary thing: if you wanted to vote in the Democratic primary, you had months of time to check the rules in your state and correct your registration, if necessary. I did. So what's the excuse of people who didn't?

edited 29th Apr '16 3:46:42 PM by Fighteer

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#120538: Apr 29th 2016 at 3:48:28 PM

So, Trump needs 48 percent of the remaining delegates to control the Republican nomination on the first ballot.

In other words, it all comes down to California. Well, assuming that the RNC doesn't simply say "fuck you, votebags, we're Cruzing."

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#120539: Apr 29th 2016 at 3:53:21 PM

Take note that Cruz has been working hard on picking up uncommitted delegates or even injecting prospective Cruz supporters in delegates who are pledged to Trump. So Trump will need to play it safer than just 48%.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#120540: Apr 29th 2016 at 4:00:02 PM

Faithless electors have never swung an election in the US, ever. I wouldn't count on Cruz' plants to do more than look stupid. The question is whether Trump can get the majority - if he can't, then the delegates fly loose and the RNC scrambles to either unite behind Cruz, bring back Rubio, draft Ryan as a white knight, or otherwise anything-but-Trump.

edited 29th Apr '16 4:02:04 PM by Ramidel

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#120541: Apr 29th 2016 at 4:21:01 PM

California has one of the largest Hispanic population out there. Some Trump related protests have gone sour recently.

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#120542: Apr 29th 2016 at 4:31:16 PM

I don't think Hispanics in California vote in Republican Primaries. California is a very blue state, but we are talking about the subset of Californians who are also Republicans. Trump doesn't have to beat the Democrats to win the Republican primary in California... He just has to outdo Cruz and that other guy since they are the Republicans still in the race.

edited 29th Apr '16 4:32:34 PM by GameGuruGG

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#120543: Apr 29th 2016 at 4:33:28 PM

Yeah. And red Californians are very red from what I've heard.

edited 29th Apr '16 4:33:39 PM by Ramidel

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#120544: Apr 29th 2016 at 4:41:46 PM

I guess so. The Vietnamese-populated Orange County I live in are socially conservative.

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#120545: Apr 29th 2016 at 5:03:09 PM

One wonders why the hell non-Democrats should be allowed to vote in the Democratic primary. If you're not even a member of the party, then why should the party give you a say in nominating their candidate?
Rolls back to the Working Family Party. They're basically the natural ally-rump party in New York with the Democrats, and why Dems win so often despite a strong Republican showing. Multiple Democratic officials owe their careers to them. For New York, it's sort of a dick move.

Here's a counterpoint to that closed primary thing: if you wanted to vote in the Democratic primary, you had months of time to check the rules in your state and correct your registration, if necessary. I did. So what's the excuse of people who didn't?
For New York: The state there did everything to make it impossible to change your party or even register for a party by pushing it MUCH further back than any other state. So I can't blame people having a fit.

For a lot of states, last I checked, you can pretty much register day of. New York required you to register a month before.

edited 29th Apr '16 5:07:06 PM by PotatoesRock

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#120546: Apr 29th 2016 at 5:05:48 PM

The deadline should be later but I don't have a problem with independents and the opposition not voting in a primary. Why should they have a say in the party's leadership?

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#120547: Apr 29th 2016 at 5:12:25 PM

[up][up]

Seems my note got overlooked, then. New voters in NY had until March 25th. People already registered, regardless of affiliation, had to change their affiliation back in October of 2015, over 6 months before the actual Primary day (April 19th vs October 9th).

edited 29th Apr '16 5:13:14 PM by ironballs16

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#120548: Apr 29th 2016 at 5:21:54 PM

Yeah, the requirement in New York was balls. But that alone can't explain Bernie's loss.

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GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#120549: Apr 29th 2016 at 5:25:34 PM

[up][up] As a corollary, my particular state, which is red and in the South, allows people to vote in either party's primary on the day of the primary. There is really no excuse if even a Republican state can allow people to choose the primary to vote in on the day of the primary.

edited 29th Apr '16 5:27:00 PM by GameGuruGG

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