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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Okay, this is noteworthy - Emily Pitha, who's arranged fundraisers for Sen. John McCain, was arrested after an active meth lab was found at her home
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Yeah the rape things seems to basically say that lack of consent isn't what makes rape rape, but force is what makes it rape, which is fucked up in so many ways.
As for how it would go it if was male on male, it wouldn't even have gotten that far, it wasn't that long ago that under US law a women couldn't rape a man, as in it legally wouldn't be rape.
edited 28th Apr '16 3:47:44 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranThe "logic", such as it is, is that consent is implied by getting drunk/drugged in the first place. That is, if you drink alcohol to unconsciousness, you're putting an, "It's okay to have sex with me" sign on yourself.
It's not usually phrased that way, though; rather, it's, "You should have known what would happen," placing responsibility on the victim not to put themselves into a situation where someone might mistake their incapacitation for consent.
edited 28th Apr '16 3:53:27 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Is that it? I figured that it was that the law didn't include anything about consent and force in the form of fighting/attacking a person had to be used for it to count as rape.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran@Ace: "Forcible" and "nonconsensual" are two different things in law. (IANAL, in case it has to be said.) Forcible rape occurs when either force is used to commit the sexual assault, or when force or the threat of force is used to secure compliance (and sometimes the latter case doesn't count, depending on how archaic the law is).
Then there's all other kinds of rape, where force was not used but the victim either did not consent, or as a matter of law was unable to consent. This includes rape of a sleeping victim, an intoxicated victim, or an underage victim. Usually, the penalty for forcible rape is higher than the penalty for other nonconsensual situations.
@Fighteer: No, the logic is probably that the laws were written before the '70s, and the idea that intoxicated consent was not consent was not in the zeitgeist at the time. Oklahoma simply hasn't modernized their laws; welcome to the Deep South.
Hell it's not that hard, as a drunk, horny, 13 year old, with someone vigorously consenting to me I could still go "no I'd be taking advantage of her current emotional situation".
Though honestly drink sex is fine if you either get consent before getting drunk or don't get so drunk that you couldn't consent. Passed out drunk is obviously beyond the point of being able to consent though.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranAnd since someone's going to bring it up unless I mention it first, here's the big ol' disclaimer: click to expand
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.To hop in
Nope it's not, the logic behind victim blaming is that being drunk makes you responsible for the actions of others, which is stupid.
Being drunk makes you partially less responsible for your own actions, but it doesn't effect how responsible others are for their actions.
Which you know and included in your disclaimer, but I figured I'd point it out for everyone who's not you.
edited 28th Apr '16 5:52:39 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranDear god, I'm actually agreeing with Micheal Reagan.
Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.

Given the toxic "men can't be raped" idea I'd say they probably wouldn't have made a different decision. Getting the law to punish sexual assault and rape is hard all around. And it's just disgusting that they're giving a free pass to this kind of behavior. Someone being drunk and passed out is not a free "You can be an abusive asshole" pass. I mean fucking seriously, someone's passed out explicitly cannot give fucking consent.
edited 28th Apr '16 2:13:06 PM by AceofSpades