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PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#120376: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:09:17 AM

@120371:

...*bangs head against steel wall repeatedly*

I don't suppose D.C. gets a vote?

i'm tired, my friend
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#120377: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:09:38 AM

[up][up]I know but I'm getting a bit annoyed at people claiming Bernie supporters are racists.

edited 28th Apr '16 6:09:49 AM by Kostya

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#120378: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:13:16 AM

If you tolerate Trump you're a racist, that's just about the end of it.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#120379: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:15:40 AM

What evidence is there that a significant number of Bernie supporters do? Most of my friends fall into that category and I've never met a single one. The only place I've heard about these people is Reddit.

edit: I go to a fairly big college. Outside of fraternity assholes admitting you're a Trump supporter will make you a pariah to most of the students. Given how most of said students are Bernie supporters I'm not seeing how there's any overlap.

edited 28th Apr '16 6:17:02 AM by Kostya

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#120380: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:16:04 AM

@Handle- Yeah no. Israel is responsible for its own actions. Her merely continuing the status quo, while not great, it's not as bad as this idea that not doing anything in the world remotely violent at all is somehow gonna solve everything. There is a such thing as priorities and Israel isn't one and hasn't been since Carter.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#120381: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:16:49 AM

Well that's where they are. Primarily redditors and the like.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#120382: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:18:00 AM

[up]I know that's where they are but that doesn't mean they're a significant amount of his supporters.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#120383: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:25:35 AM

...so that's it, then? I missed my chance to vote for the first time since I turned 18 and that's that?

i'm tired, my friend
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#120384: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:28:58 AM

No....that was just a primary. The election that actually determines who will be president is still en route...

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#120385: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:38:17 AM

Not that the Presidential election really matters. Congress holds most of the real powers, and neither candidate is going to seriously rock the boat in terms of their use of the powers the President does have. Not a reason to skip voting, since there's an outside chance you might live in one of the few congressional districts where the outcome isn't set in stone through gerrymandering (pretty much the entire House) or the state being unflinchingly blue or red (for the senate).

edited 28th Apr '16 6:41:56 AM by CaptainCapsase

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#120386: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:43:34 AM

It matters an awful lot. Not only does the President set the overall tone of the country's political environment, have the ability to issue executive orders, have the ability to issue regulations, influence how law enforcement conducts itself, have the power to engage our military, have the power to negotiate treaties, and so on; but the President can also veto legislation passed by a hostile Congress.

If a Republican wins and that party also retains control of Congress, every single stupid Republican idea will start to get passed into law. Obamacare? Kiss it goodbye. Dodd-Frank? Gone. Immigration reform? Poof. Environmental regulation? Zap. Minimum wages? Bye. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

In the very worst case, with a GOP House and Senate and a Democratic President, the office can be used to stall out the insanity from the right.

edited 28th Apr '16 6:44:16 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#120387: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:45:28 AM

[up] Same net result as a Republican supermajority in congress, which isn't entirely implausible if the hypothetical third party Trump candidacy results in a major boost to GOP turnout, and Hillary Clinton's rather poor reputation among independents and the "far" left results in depressed turnout among democrats.

edited 28th Apr '16 6:48:17 AM by CaptainCapsase

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#120388: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:48:59 AM

You really think that Trump will motivate more people to vote in downticket races than he'll turn off from them? I don't think so. These ideas that Hillary is vastly unpopular with the middle and will send people home are pretty misguided.

What will most likely happen with Clinton vs. Trump is increased turnout from the nutball right, reduced turnout from the populist left, and a large swing of middle/independent leaning voters from the GOP to the Democrats, more than enough to offset the other losses. Polling backs this up.

edited 28th Apr '16 6:50:24 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#120389: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:53:17 AM

A Trump third party candidacy cannot create a veto proof majority, period.

One, not enough Senate seats the Republicans could gain. Two, "packing" means there is little room for Republicans to expand in the House.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#120390: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:53:21 AM

[up][up] Yes,you're probably right, but do understand that the status quo (the democratic establishment) doesn't work for everyone. Just because the alternative is unthinkable for anyone not looking to spark a revolution, doesn't mean we should be thrilled about voting for it.

edited 28th Apr '16 6:53:30 AM by CaptainCapsase

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#120391: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:55:03 AM

[up] At this point, given the control that the far right holds over state government and House representation, there is little better we can hope for, unless we're willing to have that revolution.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#120392: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:56:13 AM

A Democrat in the White House also keeps the GOP from turning the Supreme Court into a fascist, theocratic rubber stamp for them as well.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#120393: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:58:40 AM

[up][up] I'd say it's pretty much inevitable at this point; climate change is going to bring about some damn near apocalyptic famines in the western world in the latter half of the 21st century, and that's going to mean massive unrest. Suffice to say, I seriously doubt the human race will survive the 22nd century; it must be in intelligent life's nature to destroy itself, otherwise the entirety of our galaxy should already have been colonized by some advanced alien civilization.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#120394: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:59:47 AM

[up]Nah, that's because the Reapers keep wiping everybody out.

Leviticus 19:34
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#120395: Apr 28th 2016 at 7:01:03 AM

[up][up]Your hyperbole is starting to sound like an unintentional parody now.

edited 28th Apr '16 7:01:27 AM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#120396: Apr 28th 2016 at 7:01:10 AM

[up][up] I'm actually being somewhat serious; that advanced civilizations inevitably self-destruct is probably the most plausible explanation for the Fermi Paradox, and it's already possible to see how that might apply to humans.

[up] It's not even hyperbole; we're already past the point of no return for climate change doing irreparable damage to the biosphere, and unless the developing world stops polluting overnight, anything the developed world does to address climate change is going to accomplish basically nothing. Current trends see agriculture outputs plummeting in the 2070s or so, and potentially billions of deaths from famine in the late 21st and 22nd century. There's a reason Obama called Climate Change the greatest threat to the United States's national security, and that's because it represents a very real and relatively imminent existential threat to human civilization.

edited 28th Apr '16 7:05:10 AM by CaptainCapsase

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#120397: Apr 28th 2016 at 7:19:32 AM

Climate change is an existential threat that something like half of the population of the United States denies is even happening. So if we're going to rely on democracy to fix this problem, we might as well pack our sunscreen and pre-purchase timeshares in cold places.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#120398: Apr 28th 2016 at 7:20:55 AM

So relax. If it's inevitable then we might as well not get worried about it, and talk about US politics.

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#120399: Apr 28th 2016 at 7:22:12 AM

[up][up][up] The Paris accords should help limit the damage. In addition if their is a famine the worst effects will not be felt by the first world. The US has good country for agriculture and is rich as hell. If the worse happens we hoard it all for domestic consumption. Hell, just developing large climate controlled greenhouses, which the US is rich and advanced enough to do, would do much to alleviate a famine. Right now we don't have the motivation to do this, but we would if the other option was mass starvation and social disorder in the country. No the place that will be absolutely fucked will be Africa, as usual.

edited 28th Apr '16 7:22:27 AM by JackOLantern1337

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#120400: Apr 28th 2016 at 7:25:51 AM

John Bohner told an audience at Stanford University Wednesday that the Ted Cruz is "Lucifer in the flesh" and a "miserable son of a bitch."

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.

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