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Matues Since: Sep, 2011
#120101: Apr 25th 2016 at 3:23:56 PM

That's like saying that one type of cancer is marginally less painful than the other, though.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#120102: Apr 25th 2016 at 3:30:31 PM

My gut keeps saying that Trump will be the worst for down ticket candidates.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#120103: Apr 25th 2016 at 3:33:23 PM

He's more likely to drive stronger Democratic turnout. Not-Trump, at this point, is likely to depress Republican turnout, though, so it's harder to say.

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#120104: Apr 25th 2016 at 3:42:33 PM

If Trump gets the nom, a lot of moderates will stay home or vote for Clinton. If Trump loses, a lot of his populist following will stay home. So it's not a clear-cut win either way.

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#120106: Apr 25th 2016 at 10:26:29 PM

Nah, it's just that the thermometer's broken, most likely.

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#120107: Apr 25th 2016 at 10:41:08 PM

wild mass guessOr he's been told his time is up and he might be trying to do something "good" with his remaining time, after Reid dragged him and his brother out into the open and made them the poster boys for corrupt businessmen and system controlling Billionaires.wild mass guess

edited 25th Apr '16 10:41:23 PM by PotatoesRock

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#120108: Apr 26th 2016 at 6:39:52 AM

On MSNBC last night, Lawrence O'Donnell talked with conservative radio host John Ziegler, who claimed that Trump's rise is due to people like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannitty selling out for ratings, reinforcing the prejudices of their viewers to keep them returning. He pointed out that Fox News, Limbaugh, etc. benefited from Obama's presidency because their ratings were boosted due to the outrage from the right, which they helped stoke.

Ironically, it's in the right-wing media's best interests for Democrats to be in power. Kind of mind-blowing, isn't it? And one could make the converse point about left-leaning media: I know I wouldn't tune in to O'Donnell or Maddow nearly as often if Republicans weren't pulling all kinds of crazy shenanigans.

Now, it's hardly news that the media benefits from controversy, scandal, and conflict. However, most programs don't go out of their way to incite said conflict in order to benefit downstream. Trump, however, has brought that out in a way we haven't seen in a long time.

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#120109: Apr 26th 2016 at 7:11:40 AM

It's not just in the interest of Right wing media for the Dems or be in power, it's also in the interest of right wing politicians, they can't scream about how government is horrible and can't be trusted if they run the government, they can't go on and on about how they do X on day one if they actually win, if they win they would be expected to follow though on their empty promises.

Look at the senate right now, the Republicans have backed themselves into a corner over the Supreme Court, they accept Obama's nomination and they look weak, they accept the same nominee/a similar one from an incoming Democrat and they look weak and will outrage their base, the only out Mitch Mc Connell has is to loose control of the Senate in November and then talk about he's helpless to stop the new Democrat Senate enforcing a "Liberal agenda pushing legislator from the bench" on the country.

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#120110: Apr 26th 2016 at 7:48:22 AM

So, this evening there will be more primaries. Delaware, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Maryland and Rhode Island.

On the Democrat side, seems like it's going to be a Hillary sweep. On the Republican side, Trump will win but the complicated delegate allocation rules in the last four states - per-congressional-district, proportional, unbound delegates all at once - means a lot will depend on how wide Trump will win.

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#120111: Apr 26th 2016 at 7:50:51 AM

Yeah. I'm heading out to do my duty as a voter, but the outcome is a foregone conclusion. Mainly I'm doing it because it's a show of support, a way to increase those turnout numbers and help boost Democrats' morale going into the general.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
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#120112: Apr 26th 2016 at 7:52:52 AM

Take note that the Democratic primaries are proportional votes, a few votes of difference can make delegate numbers differ.

There are also Senate primaries again in Pennsylvania - for the challenger to Toomey on the Democrat side - and in Maryland - for the successor to Barbara Mikulski.

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#120113: Apr 26th 2016 at 7:53:59 AM

Agreed. I'm more or less ambivalent about who wins the Democratic Senate primary as long as they have a good chance to beat Toomey, and the current numbers don't look that great. Sestak has longevity and name recognition going for him, at least.

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#120114: Apr 26th 2016 at 7:56:09 AM

He has a checkered relationship with the rest of his party, though, if memory serves.

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#120115: Apr 26th 2016 at 7:58:11 AM

Yeah. I'm going to do another pass at the platforms and history of each candidate today.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#120116: Apr 26th 2016 at 8:01:25 AM

Well I just got back from voting. Why does the PA primary specify that I pick three male delegates and two female? Shouldn't people pick them based on who they're pledged for?

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#120117: Apr 26th 2016 at 8:01:53 AM

Oh, lord, they want us to pick delegates? How the heck is anyone supposed to stay informed about them? Not that it really matters on the Dem side; a brokered convention is extremely unlikely at this point.

edited 26th Apr '16 8:02:26 AM by Fighteer

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#120118: Apr 26th 2016 at 8:04:13 AM

I am guessing that they want you to pick the delegates because it's more democratic this way - even if impractically so. It's similar to Switzerland where I have to adjust the ranking of candidates on the party list when I am casting my legislature vote.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#120119: Apr 26th 2016 at 8:08:55 AM

[up][up]It tells you who they're pledged to vote for. I'm just confused by why it specified two should be female and three male. Why not just say we should pick five?

[up]But it also asks you which candidate you want to be on the ticket. Why do that then make me pick individual delegates?

edited 26th Apr '16 8:11:42 AM by Kostya

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#120121: Apr 26th 2016 at 8:15:11 AM

I'm gonna be the oddball out and say the RI is what prevents Clinton from sweeping.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#120122: Apr 26th 2016 at 8:17:21 AM

I guess? I just think it's weird because they don't have any actual power. The gender ratio of the delegates shouldn't matter. Their only job is to vote for a specific candidate that's clearly indicated on the ballot.

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#120123: Apr 26th 2016 at 8:17:38 AM

~Kostya: Are delegates bound to support whichever side they are pledged on, come hell or high water?

Because if no, if say Hillary is indicted her delegates may bail to Sanders but it's their decision.

This is even more important in the GOP primary, in case there is a brokered convention.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#120124: Apr 26th 2016 at 8:19:51 AM

They could be disloyal and pick the other candidate but why should that matter? If you want candidate A to win you're not going to vote for B's delegates on the off chance they jump ship to A.

edit: I guess it could theoretically make sense if you support multiple candidates but even then wouldn't you want to give as many votes as possible to your preferred choice?

edited 26th Apr '16 8:20:42 AM by Kostya

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#120125: Apr 26th 2016 at 8:20:49 AM

Unless a candidate leaves the race or is disqualified (such as by being the subject of a criminal indictment, although there is no legal bar to being elected in such conditions), their pledged delegates are required to vote for that candidate in the first round.

If that round does not result in a clear (50% or higher) winner, then all delegates become unbound and may vote for whomever they want in subsequent rounds.

Superdelegates' votes are unbound in all rounds of voting, anyway. A pledged delegate could revolt (witness 2008 and 2012 on the GOP side, when Ron Paul mounted an insurgent campaign), but it's relatively rare.

edited 26th Apr '16 8:22:02 AM by Fighteer

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