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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#120076: Apr 25th 2016 at 1:54:39 PM

Didn't Jon Stewart already point out that if the Jews really were to stage a conspiracy, they'd be too busy arguing to get anything done?

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#120077: Apr 25th 2016 at 1:59:24 PM

I meant that out of the racist democrats, wouldn't they be more likely to support Hillary than Sanders? He's jewish, was an active part of the civil rights movement, and neither of those are things racists would support having the presidency.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#120078: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:00:58 PM

However, Hillary is part of an establishment and has even stronger ties to racial minorities.

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#120079: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:01:00 PM

The issue at hand is that Hillary enjoys strong majority support from minority voters like blacks and Hispanics. This, in turn makes the closet-racist white left mistrust her. They dress it up as, "We know what's really best for you, so let Papa do his thing."

edited 25th Apr '16 2:01:39 PM by Fighteer

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#120080: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:02:37 PM

I mean, there's a lot of Hispanics and Muslims who support Trump. It wouldn't surprise me that some of Sanders supporters could be anti-Semites.

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#120081: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:02:49 PM

But that doesn't explain why they'd support Sanders. If anything, I would expect them to throw a fit and not vote at all rather than support a jew.

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#120082: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:02:58 PM

[up]X3 She has majority support amaonegst blacks, but I don't belive she has that with any other racial group, be that Hispanics, Asian Americans, native Americans or Jews.

Now as blacks make up the majority of the minority population when it comes to numbers that's not a big difference, but when it comes to narrative, there's a big difference between Clinton winning minorities and Clinton winning blacks.

[up][up] I'll take a source on "a lot", I'm pretty sure it's just a very vocal minority.

[up] Dpeends on the racists, passive anti-blacks are going for Sanders, anti-Semites are going for Clinton.

edited 25th Apr '16 2:05:07 PM by Silasw

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#120083: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:04:30 PM

It is possible for other issues to trump (no pun intended) racism/sexism. Voters occupy a wide spectrum, although on the Trump side, a lot of it is Internalized Categorism and much of the rest is, "I'm a prosperous, law-abiding X, and I can't stand those others of my ethnicity that are giving us a bad name."

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#120084: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:05:02 PM

There is not "a lot" of Hispanics that support Trump. The tiny group of GOP Hispanics support Trump, which is a wholly different thing.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#120085: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:05:56 PM

The point is, there's a group of them that exist. Some people will vote for a candidate regardless of their stances on their ethnicity or whatnot.

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#120086: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:07:35 PM

Sure, but crocodile fuckers are also (probably) a group that exist, but we don't care about them because they're such a tiny group that they're of no importance.

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#120087: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:08:37 PM

I was trying to make a point that some of Bernie's supporters might just be idiots who ignore that he's something they hate, but clearly that's been lost.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#120088: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:11:11 PM

It is still not "a lot".

This problem ("base rate fallacy") is not an issue just with how many Hispanics support Trump, though. Trump's impressive victory in New York looks a lot less impressive if you consider that Bernie won more votes than Trump and second-place Kasich together, and Hillary won more votes than all GOP candidates. In fact, Democrats in New York's primary outnumbered Republicans more than 2/1.

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#120089: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:11:45 PM

[up][up][up]Croc fuckers do exist...once more in the only state with denizens insane enough to do it.

edited 25th Apr '16 2:11:53 PM by AngelusNox

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#120090: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:12:38 PM

Ted Cruz is vetting Carly Fiorina as a potential vice presidential candidate, a Fiorina aide confirmed to The Hill.

John Kasich: I'm vetting vice presidential candidates.

Say what you want about Cruz and Kasich, there certainly optimists.

edited 25th Apr '16 2:13:36 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#120091: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:13:52 PM

Is Cruz hoping to carry California with that choice?

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#120092: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:13:56 PM

Cruz/Fiorina... I can't think of a worse P/VP duo. Yuck.

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#120093: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:14:31 PM

[up]X6 Oh sure, but they're such a thing number that they're not worth thinking about. It's like space beastiality, theoretically possible, but not relay worth worrying about.

[up]X3 They may be being optimist to try and get momentum.

[up] Trump/Trump's horse.

edited 25th Apr '16 2:15:58 PM by Silasw

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#120094: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:15:00 PM

[up][up] Trump/Palin definitely comes close.

edited 25th Apr '16 2:15:13 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#120095: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:20:31 PM

Had to chuckle at this news on NPR on the drive home - Senator Tom Carper (D-DE) leads Clinton supporters in singing "She Works Hard For the Money" by Donna Summer. Edited due to [down], since I probably just heard the "Donna" portion on the radio and forgot the rather critical other half.

The reason I chuckled wasn't the absurdity of the thought, but the Ambiguous Syntax of the title that could easily reflect Clinton's or Sanders' supporters' thoughts on her. Either "She works hard" for Clinton's camp, or "She works hard for the money(ed interests)" for Sanders' camp. It really didn't do her any favors when he quoted the opening lyrics - “She works hard for the money, so hard for the money. She works for the money, so we’d better treat her right,” - both in regards to the "coronation of Hillary" narrative that existed at the start of the campaign and the current "She's bought and paid for by the billionaires!" narrative Bernie is pushing.

edited 25th Apr '16 2:35:27 PM by ironballs16

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#120096: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:21:21 PM

That's not even a Madonna song, though? Or did she do a cover of it?

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#120097: Apr 25th 2016 at 3:02:54 PM

Adric is from Florida Nox, I think he knows about that group

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#120098: Apr 25th 2016 at 3:06:22 PM

[up]x9 — That story is a hoax, by the way...[1]

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#120099: Apr 25th 2016 at 3:13:32 PM

So I have my opportunity to attempt to screw up the Republican primary by picking an unelectable candidate.

Although that would probably happen anyway.

I know with the current Republican party in office, shit won't get done, but this is a primary ballot. Who's most likely best on the Democrat side and/or most unelectable on the Republican side? Might as well vote strategically.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#120100: Apr 25th 2016 at 3:15:39 PM

[up] Define 'best' .

As for the Republicans, I'd vote Cruz. Especially since it increases the chance of a contested convention.

edited 25th Apr '16 3:21:59 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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