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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
While that little rant was mean-spirited, it's not at all inconsistent with some of the circle-jerk mentality that goes on in those sub-Reddits.
Hillary is not the Devil Incarnate, and Bernie's economic plan has more holes in it than a stereotypical joke about Swiss cheese. These are facts.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
Sanders got about 60% of he millenial vote across all demographics (including minorities and the very wealthy), and upwards of 80% among younger millenials. I think it's more that his most loyal demographic tends to dominate those parts of the Internet.
Edit: Anyway, my point is more that people will say really extreme and inflammatory things in parts of the Internet that aren't heavily moderated.
edited 25th Apr '16 9:37:02 AM by CaptainCapsase
You guys realize that that's a variation on a widespread copypasta, right? The original version was making fun of an even older one about atheism. Here's the Know Your Meme entry on it
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That was already posted a couple pages ago, and he straight-up admits that he's not actually going to try to analyze which plan would be more effective at its stated goals. Other sources (like Krugman) have found Bernie's plan to be questionable. The math suggests that his plan as-proposed doesn't actually work. You can argue that a modified plan that actually reflects reality would still be better than the status quo, but the fact that the Sanders campaign is either willing to put out bad numbers to make their plan look better or genuinely doesn't believe that their numbers are bad is not encouraging, because it basically means you have to take your pick between believing he's dishonest or incompetent. (Or denying that his plan has problems, which... well, good luck with that.)
edited 25th Apr '16 8:11:28 AM by NativeJovian
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.The problem isn't with Sanders' tax plan. That is just a way of generating revenue: the question is what the revenue so-generated would be used for. The problem is that Sanders' assumptions about the cost savings of single-payer healthcare don't even come close to adding up.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Just butting in to relay a funny email my Sociology professor just sent out. Relevant here (not to the current conversation, just the thread and site at large) 'cause, I dunno, tropes in real life?
Will Trump be voted off the island? Or will this alliance fail and the other two be forced to leave? Does one have a hidden idol? Whose fire will be extinguished? Stay tuned in this summer and see the action for yourself!
edited 25th Apr '16 8:20:19 AM by Knowlessman
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Yeah, the Kasich-Cruz alliance smacks of reality TV shenanigans. I'm going to be pointing and laughing up until November 8th, when I will be biting my nails in hopes that we don't elect Clown-King Trump or God-Emperor Cruz.
It's worth noting that the alliance is a tacit concession by Kasich that he cannot win the nomination. There's no way Cruz would make this deal without some kind of safeguard against Kasich backstabbing him at the convention and making a play for delegates.
edited 25th Apr '16 8:22:54 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I knew Sanders' plans was bullshit the moment he announced his presidency. Free college? Medicare for All? A tax on speculation?
On what planet does anyone seriously believe this will pass even with a Democratic controlled congress, let alone one dominated by the GOP?
I never understood how the guy took off, and quite honestly the more he stays in, the more I dislike him, because he becoming a thorn in the side of the DNC.
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Please don't engage in hyperbolic statements like that, even if you are serious.
First, the DNC is hilariously corrupt and we only tolerate it because it's a necessary evil. Second, Sanders' ideas are a desperately needed breath of fresh air on the left that have done the important work of forcing Clinton to market her ideas to an increasingly frustrated progressive populist base.
Now, it's true that Sanders has sold his ideas with a side of magic asterisks: gaps in his economic plans that he has failed to explain. That doesn't mean that they are fundamentally invalid. My beef with Sanders is less about his ideas and more about the practical facts of how he would implement them. That and the minority of his followers who have waged an extremely hostile, "Bernie or Bust" rhetorical war against Clinton supporters.
edited 25th Apr '16 8:25:55 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
It's probably best to let the show's article speak for itself; a detailed explanation would be both off-topic and too time-consuming. In an attempt to briefly summarize and avoid a derail...
In Survivor, a group of telegenic individuals is dropped off in some wilderness setting and told to live off the land for a few weeks. Each "episode", which airs weekly but may actually be only a day or so of real time, requires the contestants to vote for which of their number will be kicked off, and thus lose the chance at the cash prize for winning. This leads to "strategic voting", wherein contestants will team up on those that they believe to have the best chance of winning in order to eliminate them early, then of course backstab each other when it comes down to the finale.
That the Republican nomination process appears to be devolving into a reality TV style gang-up on the leader only serves to accentuate the absurdity that the main reason anyone knows about the front-runner at all is that he's the host of a reality TV series.
edited 25th Apr '16 8:31:04 AM by Fighteer
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Yes. Stephen Colbert has taken to running a segment on The Late Show called "The Hungry for Power Games", which riffs on The Hunger Games by firing a cannon to mark the passing of each candidate.
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The concern is that Sanders must be doing one of two things: intentionally understating the costs of his plan so as not to alienate voters (which is at least intellectually dishonest) or actually unaware of the true costs (which marks him as ignorant). Also, there is literally zero chance that what he wants could pass Congress.
edited 25th Apr '16 8:36:39 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
I agree with that, but I also understand why his plan used the most optimistic projections; the American electorate has an almost psychotic aversion to taxes, and even in his home state, the mere suggestion that elevated taxes on the poor and middle classes were required for the implementation of a single-payer healthcare system in the state was enough to torpedo the plan.
That's an inescapable part of politics; everyone's intellectually dishonest to some extent, and while Sanders is unusually consistent in his rhetoric, even he's told his fair share of bold faced lies and exaggerations.
edited 25th Apr '16 8:37:26 AM by CaptainCapsase
Anyway, if he can't survive the Democratic primary process, which is by definition far more favorable to him than the general election, how could he imagine that he'd be able to capture the popular vote in November given how the GOP propaganda would tear him apart over his platform?
edited 25th Apr '16 8:42:27 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
The freaking country was formed by the dislike of tax. If there is something America hates more than Satan, it would be tax, monarchy, and Communism.
edited 25th Apr '16 8:44:37 AM by flameboy21th
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Whether or not Sanders would be able to beat a strong GOP candidate is irrelevant, as there is no strong GOP candidate in the running this cycle, and there hasn't been one for quite some time.
Moreover, I'd dispute your argument that the primary is by definition more favorable for him than the general election; you said yourself that the DNC is hopelessly corrupt, and they're the ones who run the primaries.
edited 25th Apr '16 8:49:06 AM by CaptainCapsase
Fair enough. Still, the GOP donor class has been quietly shilling Sanders in the hopes that he'll be easier to contest in the general. That should tell you something. And it's impossible to underestimate the ignorance of the American voter when it comes to falling for Trump's reality TV shenanigans.
Unfortunately, one of the reasons why Sanders is doomed to fail is the ignorance of the populace about economic issues. This applies to his own supporters as much as it does to the general public: I've seen nearly as many boneheaded arguments coming from that camp as I have from the other side.
edited 25th Apr '16 8:49:20 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Anyway, if he can't survive the Democratic primary process, which is by definition far more favorable to him than the general election
Eh? While it's true that Sanders hasn't been properly on the target of the GOP character assassination machine, most of the results so far indicate that Sanders has more support outside of the Democratic party electorate proper, c.f the role of independent voters. Also, why would the bulk of Hillary voters not vote for him in the general if he were the Democratic candidate?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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edited 25th Apr '16 7:53:58 AM by Demonic_Braeburn
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