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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#119976: Apr 24th 2016 at 10:13:13 PM

[up][up] It's either that or people think they can somehow use the fascists for their own goals - which always worked well in history.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#119977: Apr 24th 2016 at 10:26:15 PM

Trump is an egotistical opportunist playing the role of the populist demagogue.

There isn't a sincere bone in this man's body.

Charles Koch calls Trump's Muslim registry plan 'reminiscent of Nazi Germany'.

edited 24th Apr '16 10:27:57 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#119978: Apr 24th 2016 at 10:31:11 PM

Kinda sorta true. What Koch fails to realize is that Koch's own midterm election activities are a big reason why Trump has all that support he has.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#119979: Apr 25th 2016 at 4:19:42 AM

A lying feminist neoliberal lawyer politician and Goldman Sachs after-dinner speaker was teaching a class on Paul Krugman, known $hill. "Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Krugman and accept that he is the most highly-evolved liberal economist and political commentator the world has ever known, even greater than Cenk Uygur!"

At this moment, a brave, white, atheist, millenial freshman high school student who had donated over $1500 of his parent's money and who phonebanked daily from his high school's computer lab and who fully supported taxing other people's retirement savings to fund his education stood up and held up a photograph.

"Who is this marching with MLK?"

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied "It's my husband Bill, you stupid millennial".

"Wrong. It’s actually Bernie Sanders. If your husband Bill marched with MLK as you say… then how come you once supported Barry Goldwater?"

The politician was visibly shaken, and dropped her chalk and copy of Hard Choices. She stormed out of the room crying those neoliberal crocodile tears. The same tears Democrat cry for the "blacks" (who today are so stupid they vote against their interests) when they jealously try to spend more money on gun control rather than free education for middle-class people. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, Hillary Clinton, wished she had listened to Reddit and become more than a sociopathic neoliberal shill. She wished so much that she could take an overdose of heroin to spare herself from embarrassment, but she herself had voted for the 1994 crime bill and the War on Drugs!

The students applauded and all registered Democratic that day and accepted Bernie Sanders as their lord and savior. A finch named "Socialist Denmark" flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed proletarian tears onto Old Glory, turning it into the Red Banner. The Communist Manifesto was read several times, and Karl Marx himself showed up and abolished social class, wage labour, the state, money, and student debt. And also legalized weed. The professor lost the Democratic primary and was fired the next day. She was arrested by the FBI and sent to one of the federal prisons she and her husband had built for all eternity.

The student's name? HA Goodman.

#FeelTheBern

edited 25th Apr '16 4:21:23 AM by Achaemenid

Schild und Schwert der Partei
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#119980: Apr 25th 2016 at 4:29:03 AM

Does this belong to Feel the Cherrypick or Feel the Strawman?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#119981: Apr 25th 2016 at 4:32:43 AM

[up]File it under "Smug": covers the major theme. tongue

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#119982: Apr 25th 2016 at 5:09:24 AM

The popular vote is smug. cool

Statistics are smug. cool

Nobel-prize winning economists are smug. cool

Well, Mrs. Clinton isn’t just the most knowledgeable, well-informed candidate in this election, she’s arguably the best-prepared candidate on matters economic ever to run for president. She could nonetheless mess up — but ignorance won’t be the reason.

>mfw mommy's going to be president

>mfw Bernie Bros and chauvinistic countries will get mad being bossed around by a woman

>mfw Reddit won't get what it wants because of black people and women

edited 25th Apr '16 5:16:49 AM by Achaemenid

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#119984: Apr 25th 2016 at 5:17:31 AM

My phone evidently doesn't like tweets...

As for the second point, poor people cannot pay for non-free college, yeah?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#119985: Apr 25th 2016 at 5:18:00 AM

[up][up]

The more I hear of Sanders, the less I like him. Bad socialist, bad Democrat, bad senator...maybe even a bad person. cool

[up]

Sure, but rich people can and more, so why not force the rich kids to subsidize the poor ones.

Under the Sanders free college proposal, families from the top half of the income distribution would receive 24 percent more in dollar value from eliminating tuition than students from the lower half of the income distribution. The non-tuition costs of attending college, including living expenses, are larger than the costs of tuition and fees for most students. Free college, which does not address these expenses, leaves families from the bottom half of the income distribution with nearly $18 billion in annual out-of-pocket college costs that would not be covered by existing federal, state, and institutional grant programs. Devoting new spending to eliminating tuition for all students involves a tradeoff with investing the same funds in targeted grant aid that would cover more of the total costs of attendance for students from less well-off families.

Tallies with evidence from other jurisdictions with free college, like Scotland.

edited 25th Apr '16 5:20:50 AM by Achaemenid

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#119986: Apr 25th 2016 at 5:21:19 AM

[up]The rich will subsidize the poor in that matter, because if the state is the one buying the educations, then it will be paid for using tax funds.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#119987: Apr 25th 2016 at 5:27:45 AM

OK. So, Krugman is saying that Trump's economic plans are inferior to Clinton's (something we all know for sure) and the Brookings thing says wealthy people are more like to attend college (wonder if free college would change this pattern by making it more affordable), there is a footnote about state participation that is worth noting though.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#119988: Apr 25th 2016 at 5:33:12 AM

[up][up]

If rich students access it, then they are essentially getting those taxes refunded, though. If poor students access it, then they are getting the subsidy directly.

Look at the actual math - free tuition is a subsidy for the middle-classes.

[up]

Krugman's hostility to Sanders and support for Clinton is well-known. See:

- 'The Pastrami Principle' - 'Why I haven't felt the Bern'

For other examples.

Free tuition has not lead to a higher rate of university participation in Scotland - in fact, it lags the rest of the UK.

edited 25th Apr '16 5:35:44 AM by Achaemenid

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#119989: Apr 25th 2016 at 5:36:14 AM

"University participation"?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#119990: Apr 25th 2016 at 5:46:09 AM

"People going to university". Admittance might have been a better term.

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FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#119991: Apr 25th 2016 at 5:50:57 AM

that's because Scotland is poorer than the rest of the country... and it's dead easy to go on about university admittance and tuition fees when you're not the one being saddled with debt

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Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#119992: Apr 25th 2016 at 6:01:37 AM

[up]

Scotland is poorer than the rest of the country

You should probably stop talking about us, because you don't know very much.

And although Scots are considerably poorer than Londoners, they are richer than those in every part of England except the East, South East and South West.

"Scotland is poor" also doesn't explain how we get still get outperformed in this respect by Wales and NI, who are both even less well-off.

and it's dead easy to go on about university admittance and tuition fees when you're not the one being saddled with debt

Why is gaining a marketable qualification and thus a comparative advantage over other people when it comes to hiring, wages, and prospects something that should be free? Especially if you have the means to pay for it?

edited 25th Apr '16 6:05:16 AM by Achaemenid

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FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#119993: Apr 25th 2016 at 6:04:53 AM

how about you pay my student debt then if you're all for it?

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Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#119994: Apr 25th 2016 at 6:07:24 AM

Get a job that pays over £21000 and you can do it yourself!

"Pay higher taxes if you're all for them".

"Go and live in Pakistan if you don't like this country".

"Why don't you subsidize a poor family for a year if you love benefits so much".

"Why don't you let a refugee stay with you since you like them so much".

etc etc

edited 25th Apr '16 6:10:25 AM by Achaemenid

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SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#119995: Apr 25th 2016 at 6:12:36 AM

I see a bitch fight between the Anglophile and the False Scotsman.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#119996: Apr 25th 2016 at 6:19:36 AM

Has anyone in the elections advanced into Hawaii?

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#119997: Apr 25th 2016 at 6:21:32 AM

Actually, free college is likely to most benefit the upper middle class. The upper middle class will continue to have far higher "participation" rates than poorer classes while not being the ones to pay for it - and they can handle the nontuition expenses like food and lodging much better than the poor.

In my opinion, this is okay. The poor will still benefit (they'll just get loans to live on instead of what we now call "student loans," or they'll bust their asses to work nights and go to college part time - neither is ideal, but we work with what we got until we get minimum basic income). We still get more people going to college than otherwise, and the playing field still ends up more level.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#119998: Apr 25th 2016 at 6:24:22 AM

"Advanced into Hawaii"? Trump and Sanders did win these primaries.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#119999: Apr 25th 2016 at 7:43:28 AM

A lying feminist neoliberal lawyer politician and Goldman Sachs after-dinner speaker was teaching a class on Paul Krugman, known $hill. "Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Krugman and accept that he is the most highly-evolved liberal economist and political commentator the world has ever known, even greater than Cenk Uygur!" At this moment, a brave, white, atheist, millenial freshman high school student who had donated over $1500 of his parent's money and who phonebanked daily from his high school's computer lab and who fully supported taxing other people's retirement savings to fund his education stood up and held up a photograph. "Who is this marching with MLK?" The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied "It's my husband Bill, you stupid millennial". "Wrong. It’s actually Bernie Sanders. If your husband Bill marched with MLK as you say… then how come you once supported Barry Goldwater?" The politician was visibly shaken, and dropped her chalk and copy of Hard Choices. She stormed out of the room crying those neoliberal crocodile tears. The same tears Democrat cry for the "blacks" (who today are so stupid they vote against their interests) when they jealously try to spend more money on gun control rather than free education for middle-class people. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, Hillary Clinton, wished she had listened to Reddit and become more than a sociopathic neoliberal shill. She wished so much that she could take an overdose of heroin to spare herself from embarrassment, but she herself had voted for the 1994 crime bill and the War on Drugs! The students applauded and all registered Democratic that day and accepted Bernie Sanders as their lord and savior. A finch named "Socialist Denmark" flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed proletarian tears onto Old Glory, turning it into the Red Banner. The Communist Manifesto was read several times, and Karl Marx himself showed up and abolished social class, wage labour, the state, money, and student debt. And also legalized weed. The professor lost the Democratic primary and was fired the next day. She was arrested by the FBI and sent to one of the federal prisons she and her husband had built for all eternity. The student's name? HA Goodman.
  1. Feel The Bern

Looks like someone has been talking to the Le Redditors.

The fact that I understood so much of this (even who HA Goodman is) saddens me. I have no life.

edited 25th Apr '16 7:50:12 AM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#120000: Apr 25th 2016 at 7:50:48 AM

[up] Reddit or pretty much anywhere else on the Internet that's left dominated (i.e. most of the Internet) isn't heavily moderated.

Thr best thing about the Internet is that people speak their minds without regards for social consequences. The worst part of he Internet is that people speak their minds without regards for social consequences.

edited 25th Apr '16 7:52:45 AM by CaptainCapsase


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