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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#119451: Apr 19th 2016 at 6:56:14 PM

Really? Cruz is worse than Trump by every measure except respectability. How someone could consider voting for both Cruz and Sanders baffles my mind.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#119452: Apr 19th 2016 at 6:58:37 PM

I voted for Bernie in the primaries today, but if Hillary gets the nomination I'll vote for her over any of the republicans. I'd take middle of the road and possibly corrupt over the religious zealot and the nazi.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#119453: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:03:04 PM

Not that this hasn't been repeated add nauseum in thread already, but the image of Clinton as "untrustworthy" is strong in the public eye. I've ran into a few people who go "I want Bernie but if not him any of the Republicans are better than Hilary." I don't understand how that matches up at all, but it's definitely a thing.

Probably not that significant, though.

edited 19th Apr '16 7:03:22 PM by LSBK

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#119454: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:04:27 PM

In the end the Republican candidates are just a debate between where in tie. You want to go back to, 1692 (Cruz), 1920's Europe (Trump) or 1930s America (Kasich), I can at least kind understand Kasich supporters, but I relay don't get why people would support ending the separation of Church and State or having a literal Fascist lead the US.

Can any of the folks who are considering voting Republican enlighten me? What's so bad about Clinton that you'd rather become a theocracy that would make Iran look tame by comparison?

[up] It may be in part due to not being a group that would suffer under Cruz/Trump, if you're a white, strait, male all Cruz or Trump would do is destroy the US economy, burn the US's international reputation to the ground, drag the US into pointless wars over pushing a specific religion/facism on the rest of the world.

But LGBT folks and minorities have to be worried about state sanctioned murder and inurnment if Cruz or Trump get elected, their lives become at risk. Women likewise risk having basic healthcare criminalised and being arrested for seeking such healthcare.

edited 19th Apr '16 7:07:37 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#119455: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:05:02 PM

I'd take Cruz over Trump for a few reasons. Trump has too many left-leaning positions, and his right-leaning positions are stupid. He's a pathological liar who will shift positions when it suits him, and he's openly a jerk. Cruz I can at least predict, and at least we agree on most issues even if I think he's a bit too extreme.

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flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#119456: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:06:24 PM

[up][up]That's an exaggeration. Check and balance will probably prevent a theocracy even though religious nutjobs will get some of their wishes.

edited 19th Apr '16 7:06:50 PM by flameboy21th

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#119457: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:06:33 PM

[up]

Ditto. Though my concern is that an FBI indictment might come out as an October Surprise, completely derailing the campaign and ushering in the Age of Trump.

May god have mercy on us all.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#119458: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:08:19 PM

[up][up]The Republicans will control all three branches of government if a Republican wins.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#119459: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:09:19 PM

The FBI is in the final stages of their investigation, I would think that any charges would occur before the Democratic convention and certainly come before October.

Frankly, Clinton getting charged is Sanders' only chance now.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#119460: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:10:18 PM

[up]X5 So you simply can't bring yourself to vote Dem or stay home? Why? Seriosuly, Cruz would see massive state sanctioned racial discrimination, the criminalisation of basic health services for women and even more long muddy war in the Middle East.

I mean just look at forign policy, why on earth would you want more Bush forign policy, but with even less sanity and restraint?

edited 19th Apr '16 7:10:43 PM by Silasw

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#119461: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:19:47 PM

[up][up] I've been thinking this since Super Tuesday 2: Electric Boogaloo. Tonight confirmed it in my eyes.

It appears Kasich has made it past the threshold, so this probably won't be a complete sweep for Trump. Still a good night for him.

edited 19th Apr '16 7:24:40 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#119462: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:22:49 PM

I guess Cruz is getting a taste of New York Values.tongue

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#119463: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:31:43 PM

Guys, whoever is elected president is not really important. What is important is making Congress Democratic. This complete obstruction of government of Congress cannot continue, but it will as long as Republicans remain in control of Congress.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#119464: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:34:31 PM

That's an exaggeration. Check and balance will probably prevent a theocracy even though religious nutjobs will get some of their wishes.

Well, I don't like autocratic religious democracy much either. And it's literally a slippery-slope, checks and balances is only any good if it's being defended.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#119465: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:44:03 PM

The Empire State building lit up red after Donald Trump won the New York primary.

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
BrainSewage from that one place Since: Jan, 2001
#119466: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:51:55 PM

Well, New York went to Hillary, so that officially does it for Bernie. Can't say I'm surprised, but my biggest fear right now isn't Hillary, or Cruz, or even Trump.

I'm most afraid that the trends in our political scene that made it possible for Bernie to get as far as he did, were just a kind of mood swing. That once all this is over and the corrupt filth are firmly entrenched once again, we Americans will all forget Sanders ever ran in the first place. That he won't appear in our history textbooks. That no more good politicians will ever take his place, or that if they try they will be summarily ignored. I find it really difficult to believe that we'll have the attention span or the consciousness to maintain whatever popular trend has made a victory even somewhat possible for such a candidate.

And I can say this with a degree of confidence, because I don't have solidarity either. I don't feel like a part of any greater whole. I'm not even angry at the "establishment", because in order to be angry one must first be surprised. I'm just tired and disgusted. I'm just a guy who's afraid of what's to come.

How dare you disrupt the sanctity of my soliloquy?
Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#119467: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:54:51 PM

I think it'll largely depend upon whether or not Millennials get more conservative as they grow older. Sanders' success has largely been based around them.

Warren might be able use Sanders' base in 2020/2024.

edited 19th Apr '16 8:03:16 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#119468: Apr 19th 2016 at 7:57:05 PM

[up][up] Paulites declare the end of the world every time Ron or Rand loses a primary. Democrats declare the end of the world every time a "progressive" loses a primary. Evangelicals declare the literal end of the world every time a Democrat is elected President. The world is still around.

The only reason people are so wound up about it is because the same young voters whose energy fuels the Sanders campaign are too young to have a sense of perspective.

Politics is cyclical. We'll have some good times, then people will get complacent and let an incompetent in, the incompetent will muck things up and the outrage will get a populist President elected, rinse and repeat. Our only hard deadlines are global warming or nuclear war.

edited 19th Apr '16 7:59:37 PM by Fighteer

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#119469: Apr 19th 2016 at 8:01:30 PM

The world isn't ending. But I get why people are frustrated, and flocking to guys Sanders, Trump, and Ron Paul.

edited 19th Apr '16 8:06:31 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#119470: Apr 19th 2016 at 8:01:56 PM

[up][up][up] They won't, not in the sense that conservatism is defined in America at least; old people are generally more comfortable with the status quo, but that's typically because each successive generation accomplishes what they're comfortable with, and resists further change.

edited 19th Apr '16 8:06:54 PM by CaptainCapsase

Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#119471: Apr 19th 2016 at 8:02:44 PM

Yeah, looks like the Dems have Hillary and the Repubs have Trump. I'm not happy with this.

edited 19th Apr '16 8:03:51 PM by Lennik

That's right, boys. Mondo cool.
BrainSewage from that one place Since: Jan, 2001
#119472: Apr 19th 2016 at 8:04:15 PM

[up][up][up][up] I realize it's far from the end of the world. That's the problem. The noose tightens slowly enough that no one realizes it. Once the TPP passes we'll probably see another uproar, but the abject failure of the Occupy movement is a good enough indicator of how much success its opponents will probably have.

edited 19th Apr '16 8:05:40 PM by BrainSewage

How dare you disrupt the sanctity of my soliloquy?
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#119473: Apr 19th 2016 at 8:07:23 PM

the popularity of Trump and Sanders is also somewhat connected to the simmering resentment of the Beltway Establishment.

News flash: people were mad at the establishment way back in the 1800s. And the 1600s. And the 000s. That was when governments could draft you into the army and/or collect your taxes by marching to your house and burning it down, or just hang you for whatever reason. Things have improved.

[up] The best advice I can offer is to keep at it. Sanders has a lot of shortcomings as a candidate and those became evident during this primary process. Others will come along. I'm still sad that Elizabeth Warren didn't run, but I'm talking about people like her.

edited 19th Apr '16 8:14:20 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#119474: Apr 19th 2016 at 8:09:25 PM

So, is I take it it's basically impossible for Sanders to get enough delegates now?

Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#119475: Apr 19th 2016 at 8:10:25 PM

It's been impossible since Ohio.

That's right, boys. Mondo cool.

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