TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

The General US Politics Thread

Go To

Nov 2023 Mod notice:


There may be other, more specific, threads about some aspects of US politics, but this one tends to act as a hub for all sorts of related news and information, so it's usually one of the busiest OTC threads.

If you're new to OTC, it's worth reading the Introduction to On-Topic Conversations and the On-Topic Conversations debate guidelines before posting here.

Rumor-based, fear-mongering and/or inflammatory statements that damage the quality of the thread will be thumped. Off-topic posts will also be thumped. Repeat offenders may be suspended.

If time spent moderating this thread remains a distraction from moderation of the wiki itself, the thread will need to be locked. We want to avoid that, so please follow the forum rules when posting here.


In line with the general forum rules, 'gravedancing' is prohibited here. If you're celebrating someone's death or hoping that they die, your post will get thumped. This rule applies regardless of what the person you're discussing has said or done.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#119401: Apr 19th 2016 at 12:17:59 PM

Well Saudi Arabia did actually have some complacency in 9/11, mainly in looking the other way and allowing its citizens to do crazy shit, I belive Bin Laden also got some funding from there and Saudi Arabia did play a big role in pushing the ideology that lead to Bin Laden.

Basically Iraq and Afghanistan were smoke screens, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were in many ways the big financial and ideological backers of AQ.

edited 19th Apr '16 12:22:38 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#119402: Apr 19th 2016 at 12:18:30 PM

Isn't Osama from Saudi Arabia? You might be able to hit them with some kind of charge related to that if they knew this guy was dangerous but didn't take reasonable precautions.

Maybe it's actually a brilliant plot to stop the US from being dependent on Foreign Oil.

Leviticus 19:34
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#119403: Apr 19th 2016 at 12:20:46 PM

Sigh. 9/11 is never going to end, is it?

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#119404: Apr 19th 2016 at 12:21:19 PM

I hope Trump wins NY by a landslide.

edited 19th Apr '16 12:21:39 PM by flameboy21th

Non Indicative Username
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#119406: Apr 19th 2016 at 12:22:49 PM

Voted for Bernie earlier today. Unfortunately, most people I know either decided to not vote, or didn't register.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#119407: Apr 19th 2016 at 12:39:40 PM

[up][up] THE TRUMP TRAIN HAS NO BRAKES!

Treasury Secretary Jack Lew nears decision to keep Hamilton on front of $10 bill, put a woman on the $20.

I wonder if Hamilton's newfound popularity contributed to this.

edited 19th Apr '16 12:42:02 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#119408: Apr 19th 2016 at 12:41:02 PM

Good, the sooner we get that genocidal nutbag off my money the better.

Oh really when?
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#119409: Apr 19th 2016 at 12:41:29 PM

[up]

In fairness, NY's rules to swap existing affiliation is onerous (one of the few times I'll ever agree with Trump's campaign), as you needed to do it 6 months before the Primary itself in order to be eligible. I've been Independent until March, so I can't vote today, and I've got a Republican friend that would've liked to vote for Sanders, but he obviously can't.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#119410: Apr 19th 2016 at 12:43:14 PM

At least Pennsylvania set the deadline for primary party registration in mid-March, so I was able to get mine in. I still don't know why my previous registration showed me as unaffiliated, though.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#119411: Apr 19th 2016 at 12:43:40 PM

It's been an open secret that Saudi Arabia funds Sunni terrorist groups, including al-Qaeda and the Taliban, for years. Allowing US citizens to sue them over the 9/11 attacks is probably legally valid, as giving money to terrorists who then does terrorism with that money would certainly make the Saudi government share legal responsibility for that terrorism. In real terms, it's basically a political stunt and almost certainly won't amount to anything, though.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#119412: Apr 19th 2016 at 12:45:24 PM

Hoping for solid showings from Clinton and Trump tonight; for totally different reasons of course.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#119413: Apr 19th 2016 at 12:47:15 PM

I am neutral on Hillary vs. Sanders, but I wish that Trump will crush Cruz there, by as large a delegate margin as possible.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#119414: Apr 19th 2016 at 12:50:38 PM

[up][up][up] The legal soundness of the idea of suing a nation for its sponsorship/abetting of terrorists aside, it's entirely symbolic as there is no way to compel them to pay. Really, all we'd be doing there is officially declaring to the Saudis that we are willing to break our political and economic alliance with them over it.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#119415: Apr 19th 2016 at 1:00:57 PM

Looking at the numbers, if Trump walks away with at least 77 of New York's 95 delegates, it will become mathematically impossible for Cruz to walk into the convention with a majority of pledged delegates.

Then we are almost certainly headed for a contested convention, or Trump will have the nomination locked down (unless the RNC opts to go nuclear and override the primary results of course).

edited 19th Apr '16 1:01:47 PM by Falrinn

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#119416: Apr 19th 2016 at 1:04:09 PM

Or Cruz could steal enough delegates from state conventions to force a contested convention even if Trump mathematically wins 50%.

edited 19th Apr '16 1:04:20 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#119417: Apr 19th 2016 at 1:56:08 PM

Or the GOP could toss the entire primary rulebook and do what they want. Nothing stopping them except the risk of destroying the legitimacy of their party for this cycle at least.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#119418: Apr 19th 2016 at 1:57:02 PM

Just out of curiosity. How would people in favor of suing Saudi Arabia see then a victim of IRA terror suing the US for funding/tolerating the funding of their campaign?

edited 19th Apr '16 1:57:58 PM by 3of4

"You can reply to this Message!"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#119419: Apr 19th 2016 at 2:00:22 PM

As someone pushing frivolous litigation, methinks. I don't know about the US government funding the IRA.

~Rationalinsanity: As well as a threat of riots and of Trump pulling some revenge stunts.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#119420: Apr 19th 2016 at 2:02:57 PM

The Saudi government didn't fund AQ directly though, it simply allowed it to be funded by private citizens and looked the other way as terrorist ideology was spread and support trumped up for terrorists. That is petty much how the US reacted to the IRA, including refusing to extradite the people who helped fund terrorist attacks on the UK.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#119421: Apr 19th 2016 at 2:08:06 PM

How about a victim of Mexican Cartel violence and oppression suing the U.S. for our continued involvement in putting guns in the hands of the cartels?

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#119422: Apr 19th 2016 at 2:09:21 PM

The field is wide open if we allow it at all. It might make governments more accountable, but in reality it'll just make a lot of money for lawyers and increase international tensions for no good purpose.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#119423: Apr 19th 2016 at 2:22:24 PM

So I've been following some news coverage, apparently there are mishaps happening in New York during the primary? Things like people being mailed the wrong papers and the like?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#119424: Apr 19th 2016 at 2:33:43 PM

[up]

Had a customer today who wasn't informed of the Primary polling station, which is different from the general election one for him and his wife. If she weren't affiliated with the poll system (she usually works, but didn't get the certification in time for the Primary), they wouldn't have known where to go to actually vote in the Primary this year.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#119425: Apr 19th 2016 at 2:38:45 PM

Yeah, it seems like things are getting dirty over there.


Total posts: 417,856
Top