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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#119176: Apr 15th 2016 at 6:49:11 PM

[up] But why would Bernie contest things if he has less pledged delegates then Clinton? At that point he'd be the one trying to subvert the will of the people.

@Handle, your homeland specifically is safe if I remember where you're from correctly, it's the rest of the region that has to worry. tongue

The worry with Clinton isn't that she'd start a bunch of stupid wars, she's not that crazy, it's more that she isn't going to address the long term issues that have made the US hatred in the region, she's not going to roll back the support of unpopular regimes, she's not going to push for a end to the Israel-Palesitne conflict. On top of that she's unlikely to follow in Bill's footsteps and manage to work with the Russians when it comes to building peace, she's not going to roll back support for the Pakistnai government, she's not going to deal with Eastern Europe and the problems there in a reasonable manner.

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#119177: Apr 15th 2016 at 7:08:27 PM

You're not considering the possibility that, in this scenario in which one or the other emerges with only a plurality of delegates rather than a majority, the one with fewer pledged delegates could actually have come out with more states won overall. Supposing that supers voted with their states, then, that could put the person with fewer pledged delegates over the top at the convention. Then the argument would become "is it more democratic to vote according to the majority in my state, or to split a state's delegation of unpledgeds proportionately, or to vote for the person who won a plurality of delegates, or to vote for the person who won the popular vote, etc., etc.", not to mention electability arguments, questions of what's best for the party, and so on.

edited 15th Apr '16 7:09:20 PM by darksidevoid

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#119179: Apr 15th 2016 at 7:14:49 PM

Remember that not all states have equal numbers of super delegates (because they're not actually tied to states in any way), so even a state lead wouldn't inherently carry over to a super delegate lead if supers voted with their states. That and Clinton currently leads in number of states won.

[up] It's possibly maybe making some progress, which may well be better then we'd get with Clinton.

edited 15th Apr '16 7:17:27 PM by Silasw

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#119180: Apr 15th 2016 at 7:23:53 PM

And Clinton is likely to win New York and California; which are huge in terms of pledged and super delegates.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
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#119181: Apr 15th 2016 at 7:32:39 PM

[up][up]I'm entirely aware. I'm just saying that's an example of a reason he would have for contesting the convention, not that he would have reason to if the convention were to be held today.

[up]We'll see. She's now only 6% ahead in CA, you know, and they don't even vote until June.

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#119182: Apr 15th 2016 at 7:49:23 PM

Bernie Sanders kept a pledge to release his "very boring" 2014 federal tax returns on Friday, showing that he made just over $205,000 that year.

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
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#119183: Apr 15th 2016 at 8:04:43 PM

For swag points he should have bought his tax return to the Dem debate, then when Clinton challenged him on it gone "Yeah sure. Here's a copy for you, here's one for the moderator, here's one for the audience, enjoy. Now how about them speeches?"

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#119185: Apr 15th 2016 at 9:36:13 PM

[up][up][up]And yet there are still some articles claiming he's a "de facto millionaire". Pffft.

edited 15th Apr '16 9:36:34 PM by theLibrarian

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#119186: Apr 15th 2016 at 9:48:15 PM

Bernie Sanders kept a pledge to release his "very boring" 2014 federal tax returns on Friday, showing that he made just over $205,000 that year.
Apparently David Cay Johnston, a fairly respected investigative journalist is going batshit insane over a $204 error regarding Jane Sanders' tax return on Twitter, calling it as big as Watergate.

o_O

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#119187: Apr 15th 2016 at 9:55:49 PM

Saudi Arabia has told the Obama administration and members of Congress that it will sell off hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of American assets held by the kingdom if Congress passes a bill that would allow the Saudi government to be held responsible in American courts for any role in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Way to prove your innocence, Saudi Arabia.

edited 15th Apr '16 10:04:18 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#119188: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:11:05 PM

And that hurts us how? Even if it somehow weakens the dollar, that'd be good for us.

edited 15th Apr '16 10:11:20 PM by Fighteer

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#119189: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:15:25 PM

I would assume that some of those assets would end up in the hands of terrorists (unless they mean assets as in businesses and whatnot).

Either way, yeah, Saudi Arabia doing that just means we can wash our hands of our worst ally.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#119190: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:44:20 PM

Depends on who buys said assets.

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#119191: Apr 15th 2016 at 11:00:13 PM

[up] Such as Iran or China.

@ Garcon:

A socialism based worker's uprising which you see in Sanders or a race based nationalist thing like you see with Trump.

A socialist workers' uprising would make Sanders look like a Conservative.

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#119192: Apr 15th 2016 at 11:00:55 PM

Well this is the US, he's about as close as we're gonna get so I'm counting him.

Oh really when?
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#119193: Apr 16th 2016 at 12:12:48 AM

Isn't Bernie more of a symbol of people wanting things to actually change, rather than being able to do anything as POTUS?

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#119194: Apr 16th 2016 at 12:16:43 AM

For me he is. I would not be surprised if a lot of people are supporting him because of that aspect. Might also explain why his money supply is steady and also why Hillary is winning the primary anyway (the job of the president is to govern and get stuff done, after all).

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#119195: Apr 16th 2016 at 12:38:11 AM

He's the only candidate who openly shares an accurate assessment of what they can do, yeah.

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#119196: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:21:02 AM

[up][up]I wouldn't call "maintianing the status quo" "getting stuff done".

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#119197: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:45:47 AM

Only if you define it as "no changes whatsoever". Not likely. New social and political issues (e.g a natural disaster here, a controversial law there etc.) arise all the time.

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#119198: Apr 16th 2016 at 3:21:41 AM

[up][up][up]Right for the wrong reasons that. The reason he won't be able to get anything done is that he will be fighting republicans for every inch.

I like him. He seems honest and nice. I kind of like trump for the same reasons, but trump's got toupet for brains.

But then I see him politicking like that and I think, I see what you're doing there. And I don't like it. He's appealing to his base. He's manipulating people. No honest politician will ever win an election.

edited 16th Apr '16 3:25:00 AM by war877

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#119200: Apr 16th 2016 at 3:25:44 AM

Isn't Bernie more of a symbol of people wanting things to actually change, rather than being able to do anything as POTUS?
Basically, yes. Bloomberg has an article on this, actually:

For Occupy Wall Street Alums, Sanders Just a Means to Their Own Ends: In the activist army powering the Sanders coalition, Bernie is just another soldier.

(Many of the people fueling his campaign are Occupy Wall Street alums who are using Sanders as their megaphone to get their message of inequality out. The cult of personality with him is overestimated. A significant plurality of Democratic voters are STILL very very sore about 2008~2009. And basically while the wallpaper bubble of Occupy went away, a lot of it rebubbled with Sanders.)

On the Republican Front of History:

(Politico) How the GOP Made Obama One of America’s Most Powerful Presidents: By stonewalling new laws and new budgets, Congress handed control to the White House.

And to blame for this is Rove and Mitch, due to the "Mayberry Machevellis", basically Dubya era Republican politicos who though they were much more clever than the system of Capitol Hill and the White House, and a good example of this:

"John Dilulio's Letter: John Dilulio was the first senior Bush adviser to resign. Here's why."

(Basically Karl Rove and a lot of people near him prevented Dubya from moving to the Center or even Center Left on compromise Universal Children Healthcare laws or bipartisan faith bills)

It ties into Mitch while being a very good strategist, only really is a master of arcane and obscure Senate Rules and Procedures. Which can only really be used by him to obstruct. He can't really wreck the president ultimately, which feeds the rage of the base since so many laws have been passed that basically gives the president immense power to autopilot run the government based of the laws passed by Congress as is. Which angers the base, who keep seeing autopilot presidency, and keep winning seats but keep getting screwed over by the fact the President can essentially run the government with the Executive and Judiciary if the Legislative basically insists on kicking cans around.

But essentially the self repeating loop Mitch and arguably Rove and other Republicans have made since 2008 is essentially very very lethal to the party's stability. it's riding entirely on short term gains, but since the base refuses to accept opening the doors to Hispanics, Muslims or African Americans, so on, so forth, the party is basically caught in a death spiral that it would take a miracle to escape.

edited 16th Apr '16 3:28:59 AM by PotatoesRock


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