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#118826: Apr 11th 2016 at 11:22:36 AM

[up] Japan has a built-in motivation due to their land use problem. America has the converse issue: we have so much land that trying to squeeze agriculture into a tiny space seems pointless even if it could grow food with 500% greater efficiency.

Also, WTF De Blasio? Goddammit, could Democratic leaders please stop revealing their hidden racial prejudices? It makes it really hard to take you credibly.

edited 11th Apr '16 11:24:03 AM by Fighteer

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#118827: Apr 11th 2016 at 11:25:07 AM

@Fighteer: Aeroponics? I know hydroponics, but what's that?

edited 11th Apr '16 11:25:20 AM by desdendelle

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#118828: Apr 11th 2016 at 11:27:40 AM

Growing plants in air, in the most concise definition. Instead of soil or water.

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#118829: Apr 11th 2016 at 11:31:36 AM

Yes. Aeroponics is basically soil-less farming: growing plants in air with nutrients infused into the roots. Advantages of aeroponics include:

  • Due to being done in an enclosed environment, water is recycled, with a potential 95% reduction in net water consumed.
  • Aeroponic farms can stack vertically, making optimal use of land.
  • There is no dependence on soil quality or conditions, no dependence on rainfall, and no need for pesticides.
  • Plants never touch one another, making isolation of diseased specimens trivial and preventing systemic crop loss due to disease.
  • Due to the ability to control growing conditions, aeroponic farms can grow many more crops in a given time period than land-based farms.

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#118831: Apr 11th 2016 at 11:34:50 AM

When you watch the process it is pretty much hydroponics but the amount of liquid used on the root is pretty just a spray bottle. Plants actually grow faster that way oddly enough if it works, if it fails then the plant needs to be put into a hydroponics bay to recover.

[up][up] Plants are never completely closed off so disease can still be a problem.

edited 11th Apr '16 11:35:56 AM by Memers

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#118832: Apr 11th 2016 at 11:37:48 AM

[up] Yes, but there's no soil to transmit it. So if you catch it fast enough you can quarantine just the diseased specimens.

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#118833: Apr 11th 2016 at 11:37:58 AM

Natural diversity has declined throughout human history, but right now it tends to be crashing - and agriculture is far from the only cause - so anything that risks making the decline even worse is at the very least worth discussing.

Let's just say that our worship of the "small farmer" is really misplaced. There is nothing noble or magical about using your hands to grow crops instead of machinery or being a private enterprise instead of a corporation. Obsolete way of life is obsolete, sorry guys.

Not really. Small loops and small exploitations can work wonders, it's just that your advanced countries tend to ignore it - also because they are not advertised, and admittedly require an effort from the consumer compared to "go to Mall, buy stuff". It is also much more environment-friendly.

It does not work for everything, but when it is properly developped, it works wonders.

edited 11th Apr '16 11:38:26 AM by Julep

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#118834: Apr 11th 2016 at 11:38:36 AM

"More environment-friendly"... [citation needed]

Nobody in America practices "traditional" farming, unless they enjoy bug-ridden, diseased crops that nobody will eat. The per-acre use of fertilizers and pesticides doesn't magically decline because you have fewer acres.

edited 11th Apr '16 11:42:00 AM by Fighteer

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#118835: Apr 11th 2016 at 11:46:16 AM

Super foods kick ass. Who doesn't want strawberries as big as their hand?

Oh really when?
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#118836: Apr 11th 2016 at 11:48:27 AM

Me.

I refuse to eat anything that's smaller than my head.

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#118837: Apr 11th 2016 at 11:55:47 AM

The federal government is suing Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton for civil securities fraud, joining a civil suit already against Paxton.

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#118838: Apr 11th 2016 at 11:57:42 AM

Nobody in America

Well, a good thing I do not live in America then :D

Now, I understand that personal background and place of residence are essential here. But since quite a lot of domestic commercial US decisions tend to magically get adopted in the rest of the world (or, more accurately, sold), and that the rest of the world does not always have too much land to grow wheat crops as tall as trees, I prefer to be careful.

[up] As a rule, how lenient are U.S. politics with politicians that get convicted for fraud?

edited 11th Apr '16 11:58:47 AM by Julep

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#118839: Apr 11th 2016 at 12:01:58 PM

They have to be convicted in the first place.

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#118840: Apr 11th 2016 at 12:02:36 PM

[up][up] We are in the U.S. Politics thread, I'd remind you. And I really don't give a damn about massive factory farms versus small private farms; both are stupidly, almost criminally inefficient ways to grow food.

edited 11th Apr '16 12:02:46 PM by Fighteer

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#118841: Apr 11th 2016 at 12:03:55 PM

The Constitution allows a convicted felon, such as Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, to be a member of Congress, even if in prison. Congress has to actually vote you out of office.

As for state offices, different laws apply in different places. I have no clue on Texas law.

edited 11th Apr '16 12:07:21 PM by Memers

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#118842: Apr 11th 2016 at 12:08:20 PM

[up][up] True, true, but Monsanto and many other extremely influential agricultural companies are American, so any decision taken in the US is bound to have an effect in the rest of the world. It is rather poetic really, because like GMO crops, it is a matter that easily crosses the borders of the area it was initially created for, and can easily create some legal issues.

[up] Oh okay, I thought it would be harsher.

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#118843: Apr 11th 2016 at 2:10:53 PM

Goldman Sachs will pay $5 billion to settle federal and state probes into the bank's sale of mortgage-backed securities before the financial crisis, the Justice Department announced Monday.

edited 11th Apr '16 2:14:47 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#118844: Apr 11th 2016 at 2:11:21 PM

How much profit did GS earn off of said securities, hmm? 5 billion sounds like a lot, but to them?

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#118845: Apr 11th 2016 at 2:22:00 PM

Hustler magazine founder Larry Flynt says he’s sending a pornographic spoof of GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump to every Republican member of Congress.

“The Donald,” which will be released on Tuesday and stars adult film performers Evan Stone and Britney Amber, is described as a “fantasized look at how the Republican Party front-runner might select his vice presidential running mate.”

This is what this election was missing.

edited 11th Apr '16 2:24:16 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#118846: Apr 11th 2016 at 2:22:57 PM

Nevermind the fact Monsanto, an "evil big corporation", is only so big because anti-GMO activists imposed an absurd level of regulations that choked competition to the point that only they could afford it: Mandatory labeling of GMOs isn't just feel-good nonsense without scientific basis, it's actively supported by the lobbying of the billion dollar organic food industry in order to get rid of competition.

Notably, the organic food industry does not at all push for mandatory labeling for pesticides. Because they would lose huge amounts of money if they did, and so are quite content with people's cheerful misconceptions.

What I'd support is A) getting people educated on the issue and B) cracking down on the efforts to willfully misinform consumers.

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#118847: Apr 11th 2016 at 2:24:59 PM

Heh. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the driver behind the anti-GMO crowd is the organics industry — after all, Dr. Oz is paid big bucks to shill his snake oil, and that comes from someone. But I have to call [citation needed] on the claim.

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#118848: Apr 11th 2016 at 2:36:03 PM

America has the converse issue: we have so much land that trying to squeeze agriculture into a tiny space seems pointless even if it could grow food with 500% greater efficiency.

Land isn't the only reason to go to aeroponics. California recently got hit by a pretty bad drought, and while we're mostly out of it now, it was causing serious damage to farms, both factory-style ones and family ones.

Which brings us to the problem with aeroponics (or any sort of farming other than what people are already using): Cost of change. A farm has tractors and harvesters and all other machinery that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not more. That's a lot of equipment that is absolutely worthless for aeroponic farming. That creates a huge amount of inertia preventing anyone from switching over to new methods, when the methods they're currently using have been mostly unchanged for generations. It's going to take something big to make people switch.

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#118850: Apr 11th 2016 at 2:42:51 PM

I also suspect psychological inertia - a change from regular farming to aeroponics looks like an enormous change in how a farm operates.

That said, I wonder if aeroponics discussion should go to the science thread.

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