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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#118776: Apr 11th 2016 at 5:17:44 AM

What are they?

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#118777: Apr 11th 2016 at 5:20:29 AM

He believes that there should be a GMO Label on food that has been genetically altered by modern means.

(As opposed to labeling all food that has been genetically altered over the millenia, which ought be...everything)

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#118778: Apr 11th 2016 at 5:22:19 AM

Oy wey. Shame!

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#118779: Apr 11th 2016 at 5:23:39 AM

Mmm, IIRC about a year ago he was also courting the Alt-Med crowd and promising to try to get government healthcare funds to cover their bullshit. I think Clinton also courted the "traditional Chinese medicine" crowd at some point too.

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#118780: Apr 11th 2016 at 5:26:14 AM

It's to the point where I want to reflexively not buy anything labeled "GMO-free".

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#118782: Apr 11th 2016 at 5:44:59 AM

GMO labeling: On one hand, that's fairly dumb. On the other hand, as dumb as it is, it's still pretty tame compared to what I usually hear from anti-GMO types where I am.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#118784: Apr 11th 2016 at 5:57:26 AM

But EVERYTHING is genetically modified! So it's functionally pointless

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#118785: Apr 11th 2016 at 6:46:45 AM

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#118786: Apr 11th 2016 at 6:48:36 AM

Didn't Neil Young make an entire album about why he hated GM Os?

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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#118787: Apr 11th 2016 at 6:53:04 AM

I am not really a fan of Strawmanning either way of the GMO debate. I would really like to know when/if they introduce anti-bacterial/anti-insect genetic sequences in a vegetable I am eating, for example, because those can have insane influence - not on human health, but by screwing their ecosystem they grow in. If I can buy something that does not fuck the nature, I prefer to do it.

But it seems that the world is split between hippie yahoos and hand-clasping mad scientists when it comes to GMO.

edited 11th Apr '16 6:53:16 AM by Julep

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#118788: Apr 11th 2016 at 6:56:50 AM

they called us mad... mad... mad because we thought we could create a new form of rice that could survive droughts and plague! muahahaha!

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#118789: Apr 11th 2016 at 7:04:34 AM

[up][up]Even without having the genes required for the plants to synthesize them themselves, artificially applied pesticides are already doing that - see colony collapse disorder. In any event, Bt is already one such pesticide. It's quite commonly used in organic farming.

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#118790: Apr 11th 2016 at 7:04:45 AM

[up][up][up] Most anti-GMO objections that I've heard are about the fear that "Frankenfood" will make us grow third hands or something, not that they out-compete native plants.

And making the plants disease and pest-resistant is sure as hell better than spraying tons of chemicals on them.

edited 11th Apr '16 7:05:21 AM by Fighteer

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#118791: Apr 11th 2016 at 7:07:21 AM

Don't typical domestic plants already out-compete native plants anyways?

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#118792: Apr 11th 2016 at 7:12:53 AM

Not if the amount of care it takes to maintain a weed-free garden is any indication. Sure, once you plant stuff like bamboo, you're basically condemning your local ecosystem, but otherwise...

edited 11th Apr '16 7:13:31 AM by Fighteer

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#118793: Apr 11th 2016 at 7:27:50 AM

I'm really concerned that GM food will go the way of nuclear power, heavily restricted and relegate to the side lines by fear mongering.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#118794: Apr 11th 2016 at 7:38:08 AM

That would be really bad, especially since we need it now more than ever in order to feed so many people.

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#118795: Apr 11th 2016 at 7:42:36 AM

It needs a Chernobyl or Three Mile Island to happen first.

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#118796: Apr 11th 2016 at 8:27:14 AM

If I can buy something that does not fuck the nature, I prefer to do it.
Then you're free to buy something that advertises itself as GMO-free. What we're talking about is a government-mandated label requiring things that aren't GMO-free to label themselves as "contains GMO", which is a different kettle of fish entirely.

Not to mention that there are serious questions about whether GMO and organic farming is actually better for the environment, as those crops often require more and/or more harmful pesticides to grow because the plants can't take advantage of whatever features the genetic modification offers. The benefit of "Roundup ready" GMO crops is that you can just spray Roundup on everything and you're done. If your crop wouldn't survive that, then you might have to use three or four other pesticides that will kill all the weeds you're dealing with without killing your crops at the same time.

Not to mention that for GMO crops to be approved by the FDA at all, they have to be nutritionally indistinguishable from the non-GMO version.

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#118797: Apr 11th 2016 at 8:48:08 AM

Yeah, the big problem with organic is that they have so many more chemicals sprayed on them. The chemicals that they do use are turning out to be just as bad for humans, and they have much more of an effect on the surrounding plant life. Basically, organic foods are entirely formed from a false idea that if it's "natural" it's healthy. Never mind that cyanide and arsenic are natural.

There's been some evidence that the rise of organic farming contributes a lot to things like colony collapse disorder, and because they require so many more doses of pesticides, they're more likely to poison the land. Also, their pesticides are far less likely to have been tested for their effects on humans.

edited 11th Apr '16 8:49:49 AM by shimaspawn

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#118798: Apr 11th 2016 at 9:01:37 AM

Really though it doesn't really matter what side of the issue you are on, it would be nice to have the history of whatever you are buying labeled.

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#118799: Apr 11th 2016 at 9:02:33 AM

Why? So you can reflexively decide not to buy it on the basis of what you heard on TV from Dr. Oz?

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#118800: Apr 11th 2016 at 9:04:03 AM

[up][up] As in the exact farm (or farms) it came from, etc? Or just the State (or country) of origin?

edited 11th Apr '16 9:04:30 AM by Greenmantle

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