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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
And nobody goes to jail, I'll bet. /sigh
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Candidates: Sanders 86% Clinton 83% Stein 82% Mc Afee 67% Johnson 61% Trump 57% How...how is that even POSSIBLE?! Cruz 21% note
Parties: Democrats 85% Green Party 84% Socialist 82% Libertarians 44% Republicans 33%
The question is more whether any survey can match you accurately with Trump's views given that you would have to cherry pick statements from different times and places to establish what those actually are, ignoring things he has said that contradict them.
I should note that the massive correspondence in scores between Bernie and Hillary for almost all of you means they aren't nearly as far apart in the policy space as people would have us believe. Theirs are differences of degree, not of kind.
Those of us who insist on painting them as diametrically opposed, antagonistic, anathema to one another, are simply feeding on and feeding into the dramatization of the race in the popular media and helping the Republican narrative going into the general election.
edited 9th Apr '16 8:33:44 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Ted Cruz finished Colorado's delegate fight the way he started it: With overwhelming victory.
Cruz took all 13 of the delegates up for grabs on Saturday to complete a clean sweep of the state. Delegates endorsed by his campaign swept all seven Congressional District conventions held over the last week as well, which added another 21 delegates. Another three slots are reserved for state party officials.
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That slogan rankles so much. First, it implies that America is not "great" now; that it is broken and needs fixing. Second, it implies that we were "great" at one point; that we should seek to go back to that past condition. Third, it uses "great" in an absolute sense, as if one can apply some sort of objective conditions to determine it. Unpacking it is an enormous undertaking. We are what we are, for good or ill. We can improve, but let's do so by looking ahead, not back.
Hating Trump will not make us any greater than worshiping him; defining yourself by what you oppose is not a path towards anything positive. I suppose you could say that not shooting ourselves in the collective head is objectively better, but that's hardly a ringing endorsement.
I will laugh so hard at Trump if his campaign falls apart because he got so wound up with defying the political establishment that he never bothered to follow the established procedures of the primary process.
edited 9th Apr '16 8:48:37 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
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Not turning America into a hellhole is not equal to to making it great.
edited 9th Apr '16 8:47:38 PM by flameboy21th
Non Indicative UsernameFirst, I thought slogans were good because they get votes, and it doesn't matter if it's blatant lying as long as it wins. Second, ironically using a slogan of an opponent to mock them seems a successful strategy.
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Yes, it's just a slogan, but the pernicious nature of this particular one is such that the Donald can suck people in by appealing to each individual's personal notion of what "makes America great", without having to actually say what he would do to make that happen. It's like he had a marketing team come up with the perfect phrase to attract people with inadequate critical thinking skills.
The resemblance of Trump to Colbert's strawman conservative character has not gone unnoticed, and has led to many accusations that he's intentionally running a Poe's Law campaign, either as a Democratic plant or as a way to show how absurd the Republican Party has become.
edited 9th Apr '16 9:06:49 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"What I found hilarious about Drumpf, from the very beginning, is that he essentially decided to run a campaign founded on America Again: Re-becoming The Greatness We Never Weren't.
edited 9th Apr '16 9:03:38 PM by Eschaton
To be fair, you really can't fit in a lot of facts with a campaign slogan. All they're really good for is an appeal to a bunch of generic good-sounding words that get stuck in people's heads and maybe gives an extremely vague idea about values. For example, if I were to run for president, I'd probably have a slogan along the lines of "Rebuild the future, together!". It's generic, appeals to extremely vague ideals I have, and is catchy.
However, to dissect Trump's statement:
America never stopped being great-America does not simply stop being great, even when it's fallen under clueless leadership. More over, many of his ideals would amount to a suspension of some of the aspects of our nation that make it great, and finally many of the aspects that are troubling America are things he wants to maintain. He believes America is not great, and wants to downgrade it.
Leviticus 19:34Trump's slogan is still better than Cruz's Reigniting the Promise of America note or Clinton's I'm with Her. note
Although nothing tops repeating yelling JEB! over and over again.
edited 9th Apr '16 9:45:00 PM by Demonic_Braeburn
Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company."Make America great again" appeals to conservatives because it implies that the nation fell from grestness because of the progress we made in the recent years, thus making a promise to the "good old ways" of bigotry.
Non Indicative UsernameTrump's slogan is a masterful piece of marketing. I admire it for that, at least.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"That's the problem with any defence of secession, it assumes that the South had the right to go against the will of all the slaves living there, it gives them no right in deciding the South's secession.
Edit: For those who can't watch
s video, it wasn't so much questions as conspiracy theories about "Zionist jews that run the federal reserve". Sanders took it well, pretty much going "I'm Jewish, I'm proud to be Jewish, I believe in defending Israel but I also believe in defending Palestinians, I believe in bringing peace equally in the Middle East and that good and bad people can be found on both sides of the conflict".
edited 9th Apr '16 9:42:32 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranIt didn't have a legal right, but there's certainly an argument to be made that any people have a moral right to secede peacefully under the right of self determination. That's the same right the US invoked when it broke away from the British Empire, it's the same right we defending in Kosovo, it's the same right Scotland and Quebec have asserted in more recent times.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

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Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.