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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#118601: Apr 9th 2016 at 9:19:11 AM

[up] I hope so too. If Cruz gets the nom then he could very well win because of the low turnouts for the Dems this year for the primaries, if Trump gets the nom then that low turnout won't happen again

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#118602: Apr 9th 2016 at 9:29:58 AM

Exactly, Cruz has been reasonably decent at appearing to be somewhat sane, and he has much better numbers against Clinton in a general (Sanders is a non-issue unless he pulls off massive upsets in NY and California, even winning those states by a small margin isn't enough) than Trump does. And from a policy standpoint he's probably even worse, and temperament wise....Trump is only an egomaniac who might not even believe half the shit he says, Cruz is a Dominionist.

edited 9th Apr '16 9:30:08 AM by Rationalinsanity

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#118603: Apr 9th 2016 at 9:30:53 AM

If Cruz wins, it'll be by Brokered Convention. I think winning despite having considerably fewer votes than Trump will likely cause a large group of Republican voters to stay home, too.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#118604: Apr 9th 2016 at 9:34:51 AM

That's also true, and even if Trump doesn't run 3rd party (and the deadlines to register for that are after the GOP Convention in many states) he can still throw a fit and tell his supporters to stay home.

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#118605: Apr 9th 2016 at 9:56:41 AM

Fighteer, comparing Sanders and Trump is not absurd... Both are seen as outsider candidates railing against what voters are increasingly seeing as a corrupt system, and their relative success illuminates the desire of voters on both sides for actual change. The difference between them is the inherent difference between the ideals of the Republican and Democratic Voters, which are as different as night and day.

edited 9th Apr '16 9:57:18 AM by GameGuruGG

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Knowlessman hey i dunno, why don't you tell me from Stupidtown, USA (FL) Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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#118606: Apr 9th 2016 at 11:34:51 AM

...Have I posted in here asking who the hell this Kasich guy is already? I think I may have. :/

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#118607: Apr 9th 2016 at 11:41:23 AM

He's the governor of Ohio, (pseudo)moderate Republican and one of the three remaining candidates from that party in the primary. Distinguished from other candidates by the more optimistic and less hate-mongery tone of his campaign.

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flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#118608: Apr 9th 2016 at 11:41:28 AM

[up][up]The guy people care even less than Marco Rubio.

edited 9th Apr '16 11:48:26 AM by flameboy21th

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ThePest179 Since: Jul, 2015
#118609: Apr 9th 2016 at 11:44:31 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] That's what I think too. I believe that a Cruz supporter would (begrudgingly) vote for Trump, but not the other way around. Same goes for Clinton supporters in regards to Sanders IMO. If Sanders doesn't get the nom I fear that some might stay home or even vote for Trump in the General. The real question is if that'll be enough to get whoever the Republican nominee for president in the WH or not.

edited 9th Apr '16 11:45:04 AM by ThePest179

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#118610: Apr 9th 2016 at 11:57:57 AM

I doubt it. Some Sanders supporters might vote for Trump out of spite (though I'm not willing to bet that many of them would); hardly any would vote for Cruz. There's also the big difference that Hillary's likely to win by actually having more votes than Sanders; unlike the now-likely Brokered Convention in the GOP there won't be a sense that Clinton is "illegitimate" or undemocratically chosen. The only way that could happen is if Sanders genuinely manages to beat Clinton by popular vote, but lose due to her superdelegates.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#118611: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:01:33 PM

Well, I'd vote for Kasich, but if Rubio couldn't win, Kasich has less than a snowball's chance in hell (well, ok, if the snowball is in the 9th circle of hell, it'll do just fine), and a vote for him would be a vote for Trump, and that'd be no good. So, Cruz it is.

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nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#118612: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:10:45 PM

Kasich also needs like 130% of the remaining delegates to win...he's clearly only still in this for a brokered convention where he's hoping he can pull off a miracle.

edited 9th Apr '16 12:11:18 PM by nightwyrm_zero

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#118613: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:21:06 PM

Like they'd go to him and not Paul Ryan or Mitt Romney.

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#118614: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:23:37 PM

[up][up]GOD shall let his anointed be known!

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#118615: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:45:58 PM

[up][up][up]Kasich should know that if he wins nomination without being voted by more than 10 people, he's not going to do well with voters.

edited 9th Apr '16 12:46:26 PM by flameboy21th

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#118616: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:47:00 PM

Kasich might actually do okay, since he's inoffensive enough to rake in the "anyone but Clinton" camp.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#118617: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:51:06 PM

His last TV ad basically says the same thing: Cruz can't beat Hillary if he wins the nomination, only Kasich can. Get Kasich through the brokered convention and he'll beat Hillary.

Yes, Trump was written out of the ad entirely.

edited 9th Apr '16 12:51:16 PM by Parable

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#118618: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:56:24 PM

He has to hope that voters will not think of him as the guy no one voted for but got nominated anyway.

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Last_Hussar Since: Nov, 2013
#118619: Apr 9th 2016 at 1:26:04 PM

One of our (UK) papers had an article how Cruz is more dangerous as president - he actually believes the stuff he comes out with.

As an example- 'Trump wants to send women to jail for having abortions'. I believe what he actually said was effectively 'If abortion was illegal, then women who have them should be sent to jail." Cruz actually does want to make abortion illegal.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#118620: Apr 9th 2016 at 1:29:00 PM

IIRC, Trump actually came out and said he doesn't want to change any abortion laws, he thinks the status quo is good enough.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#118621: Apr 9th 2016 at 1:38:25 PM

Time will tell how long he'll stick by that position.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#118622: Apr 9th 2016 at 1:40:37 PM

I'm increasingly starting to wonder if Trump is reading things I've written about politics, and doing exactly the opposite of what I'd want to have done...

edited 9th Apr '16 1:40:57 PM by Protagonist506

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#118625: Apr 9th 2016 at 1:50:47 PM

[up][up]If Trump wins that wall might be a tad redundant.tongue

edited 9th Apr '16 1:51:00 PM by Rationalinsanity

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