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#118501: Apr 7th 2016 at 6:23:33 PM

A nearly 9000% increase in spill magnitude over what they'd previously claimed. How utterly typical.

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#118502: Apr 7th 2016 at 7:04:24 PM

Holy shit that is some bad luck on Keystone's part. And on the Dakota farmer's parts.

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#118503: Apr 7th 2016 at 7:30:22 PM

Anyone out there think Sanders is getting a touch desperate?

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#118504: Apr 7th 2016 at 7:31:27 PM

Most certainly. It's a shame, though-I really would like to see him through.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#118505: Apr 7th 2016 at 7:32:18 PM

It kind of seems like both of them are to me. It sounds like he has more reason to be than Clinton, though.

edited 7th Apr '16 7:46:07 PM by LSBK

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#118506: Apr 7th 2016 at 7:38:52 PM

Either one of them will be in intensely hot water from losing NY, so I'd say it's desperate ground for both of them.

Moving away from NY, the Wyoming caucuses are two days from now! Of course, there's no polling data to look for them, so who knows how that will go other than people on the ground there?

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#118507: Apr 7th 2016 at 7:39:49 PM

Wyoming...huh. What happens in Wyoming?

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#118508: Apr 7th 2016 at 7:41:55 PM

Wyoming's gotta be Sanders, lily-white state has a caucus that favors activists.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#118509: Apr 7th 2016 at 7:59:00 PM

I wouldn't say that Sanders or Clinton are getting desperate, they're just coming to a point where either of them could get the nomination and its starting to become an actual competition.

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#118510: Apr 7th 2016 at 8:01:43 PM

A logician would have a field day with that, and this is why I cannot trust Bernie. He's relying too much on rousing populist anger and not enough on the details of governance. Sort of a Missing Steps Plan that starts with, "Capitalize on people's anger to get elected," then moves on to "Win the political revolution," without any clear middle.
This exactly encapsulates my problem with Sanders. I agree with almost all of his positions, but I don't think he's got an actual plan to govern the nation.

In short, I'd like to see guns face a similar regulatory scheme to cars. Both are dangerous tools with multiple legitimate uses that require training and safety regulations to be used without hurting someone, and the fact that someone under the influence of alcohol or insanity can kill innocent bystanders with either is not a reason to ban them outright. But it is a reason to tell the NRA to shut up so that responsible gun owners don't need to be tarred with their nonsense.
I entirely agree here, as well. I like the cars/guns analogy a lot. I'd be perfectly happy to see a requirement of a "gunner's license" (also I really like the phrase "gunner's license" for some reason) to own or use a firearm.

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#118511: Apr 7th 2016 at 8:11:51 PM

Why are people so eager to ascribe desperation to politicians every time they get a little snippy or over react to something? Like. Sometimes you just overreact in the moment (which I think is what happened with Sanders) without actually being desperate. In fact both of them seem to currently be quite confident in themselves, as far as I can tell. Is it just because they're starting to take stronger shots at each other? That happens in elections. Missteps and all. Doesn't mean that either is currently "desperate".

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#118512: Apr 7th 2016 at 8:15:12 PM

Politicians are all desperately sad deep inside, even if they look confident. Little-known fact.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#118513: Apr 7th 2016 at 8:21:03 PM

even when the perpetrator is an minor people aren't willing to give a light sentence to someone who is a murder.

Which is why we need to get judges and DAs the hell away from the ballot box and give them civil service protection. They are supposed to judge based on the law; a trial isn't supposed to be democracy in action. This isn't Athens.

I realize that people might have an issue with someone not receiving the "appropriate punishment" for crimes, but that's why we need to insulate judges from public accountability to a degree (the people who watchdog the legal system should be the trained attorneys involved - in short, the justice system needs a functional Internal Affairs).

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#118514: Apr 7th 2016 at 8:46:36 PM

[up][up][up]That's a fair point, but at the same time, each of them really, really wants to win NY, because A) Sanders needs it for the nomination, and B) Clinton losing in NY after talking up her stint as a Senator there would look incredibly bad for her and would almost certainly shake up the current, inevitability-laced narrative. Additionally, the attacks on the part of Clinton and her campaign are becoming somewhat more varied and explicit after WI's results (i.e. the recent "I Don't Know If He's Really A Democrat" coming from the candidate's own lips rather than a surrogate, etc.), which indicates to me that they're trying new lines of attack because the old lines of attack weren't working - and by extension, that they need and want said lines of attack to work, meaning that at least inner Camp Clinton does indeed perceive increased urgency, synonymous with increased desperation.

edited 7th Apr '16 8:47:21 PM by darksidevoid

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#118516: Apr 7th 2016 at 10:37:57 PM

@Ramidel: Mind you, minor is a legal concept, it does not necessarily entail that minors cannot be dangerous people. Children Are Innocent is a trope of fiction, after all.

The idea that the US has a habit of waaaaay overusing criminal law and law enforcement as a solution for social issues is probably true, though.

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#118517: Apr 8th 2016 at 12:43:52 AM

who knows how that will go other than people on the ground there?

- Sanders does great with caucuses.

- Sanders does great with states with low black population.

- Sanders does great in the Mountain State region.

Wyoming fills all 3 requirements.

edited 8th Apr '16 1:28:52 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#118518: Apr 8th 2016 at 12:51:19 AM

Yeah, yeah, kill all the suspense, why don't you? [lol]

I knew that. I was just trying to make it somehow exciting... but it's Wyoming, so of course that's impossible.

In other news, the most recent Commiefornia poll now has Sanders just six points behind Clinton.

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#118519: Apr 8th 2016 at 12:59:15 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Not to mention the tendency of Americans to overreact to anything.

edited 8th Apr '16 12:59:36 AM by Bat178

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#118520: Apr 8th 2016 at 1:19:06 AM

@Septimus: Oh aye. And as I said, it's possible that a 13-year-old might be an unrepentant and unfixable sociopath - but I'd argue that said unfixability cannot, at that age, be inferred from a first offense. So if we as a society are going to presume diminished moral responsibility in minors (which is a good idea), then we should tighten the rules on when a minor can be fed to adult court.

(Especially because the "crime" that will really get a minor turned over to adult court is being black. Hence my desire to provide some nondiscretionary protections for all juveniles.)

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#118521: Apr 8th 2016 at 2:13:52 AM

Wonder if that should also happen to minority adults because the racial bias in sentencing is rampant.

Otherwise I wonder what the next primaries are likely to result in, and what the opinions on Garland's judicial philosophy are.

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#118522: Apr 8th 2016 at 3:05:18 AM

I'd be perfectly happy to see a requirement of a "gunner's license" to own or use a firearm.

The problem with this idea is: Who decides what the requirements are? The government? Absolutely not. Because then it becomes a privilege, instead of a right. And privileges can be rescinded, just because some politician is against it. It would be like saying, "You have the right to freedom of speech, as long as you pass our screening process."

edited 8th Apr '16 3:14:48 AM by pwiegle

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#118523: Apr 8th 2016 at 3:30:33 AM

yes it should be the government, who else would decide? the NRA? "are you Republican?" "yes" "here's your gun" "are you a Republican" "no" "fuck off commie scum!" it may have been a right when it took dozens of men standing in a line to reliably hit someone, but in the age of accurate, automatic weapons it damn well should be a privileged

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#118524: Apr 8th 2016 at 3:31:14 AM

The only reason gun ownership is a "right" is because of the Second Amendment. Driving a car, to continue my analogy, is a privilege. And if you want to go down a really dumb rabbit hole on the meaning of the Second Amendment, "a well-regulated militia" implies that yeah, the right to bear arms can be regulated in the public interest.

Regardless, the solution to your problem is what's called a "shall-issue" license - that is, a license where the authorities must issue it to you if you meet the objective requirements (as automobile licenses effectively are). Black guy in Mississippi? Sorry, the authorities have no power to keep a gun out of your hands so long as you are not a convicted violent felon (the fact that black people are far more likely to be convicted violent felons is a separate injustice) and have attended mandatory training.

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#118525: Apr 8th 2016 at 4:59:55 AM

Yeah, I don't think that anyone has conflated mandatory gun licensing with political suitability tests. "Take this training, pass this test, and also be someone that we like." That doesn't happen with cars, does it?

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