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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#118276: Apr 5th 2016 at 9:13:28 AM

Apparently Sanders still has the edge over Clinton in Wisconsin.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#118277: Apr 5th 2016 at 9:26:38 AM

That wouldn't surprise me. It's a white state whose democrat base is more on the progressive side (Milwaukee is the only city that elected two socialist mayors), it's the GOP side where things are more questionable.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#118278: Apr 5th 2016 at 9:34:03 AM

Not sure if posted, but Donald Trump authored a memo explaining how he would make Mexico pay for the Wall. Basically, it involves threatening to cut off the wire transfers that Mexican workers in the United States send to their families in Mexico.

So it is a concrete plan. It's also extremely cruel and outright extortion.

Also, maybe I haven't looked at the article as close as I should but I'm positive that it's not just or even mostly undocumented workers who send money to relatives in Mexico. Legal residents and citizens do too, and I don't think the plan exempt them (not that it would make it any better if it did).

edited 5th Apr '16 9:34:26 AM by Hodor2

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#118279: Apr 5th 2016 at 9:34:56 AM

I'm just waiting for the Mexican War 2.0

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#118280: Apr 5th 2016 at 9:37:21 AM

Interestingly, once again there would be a strong argument that the Mexicans are the "good guys".

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BrainSewage from that one place Since: Jan, 2001
#118282: Apr 5th 2016 at 9:45:16 AM

Getting off work early today to vote. It's been nothing but solid Bern-feeling in my area, which isn't surprising, but I could see the race being closer in the rural areas. After all, we elected Scott Walker three times, which isn't exactly indicative of a strongly progressive state.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#118283: Apr 5th 2016 at 9:46:06 AM

If by some unholy miracle Trump is actually elected, I wonder how long it would take for him to be impeached.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#118284: Apr 5th 2016 at 9:52:58 AM

[up][up]Are the primaries closed? If they are, most of those Walker voters can't vote in the Democratic primary anyway. Neither can independents.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#118285: Apr 5th 2016 at 9:58:19 AM

So it is a concrete plan. It's also extremely cruel and outright extortion.

Great, he actually thought it through.

edited 5th Apr '16 9:58:34 AM by Luminosity

BrainSewage from that one place Since: Jan, 2001
#118286: Apr 5th 2016 at 10:02:34 AM

[up][up] Nope, open primaries.

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#118287: Apr 5th 2016 at 10:09:34 AM

I'm not sure how...enforceable that plan is? Whats to stop people from sending the money to, say, Canada and then route it to Mexico?

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#118288: Apr 5th 2016 at 10:17:36 AM

[up] ...or sending cash or cheques in the post?

Keep Rolling On
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#118289: Apr 5th 2016 at 10:21:46 AM

I'm personally not that clear on how wire transfers even work.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#118290: Apr 5th 2016 at 12:17:28 PM

They are called "remittances" and are a big business: Mexico received over $25 billion in 2015.

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A procrastination in of itself
#118291: Apr 5th 2016 at 12:19:15 PM

Can they even be stopped? Wouldn't you have to force all US banks to cut contact with all Mexican banks/shut down their branches in Mexico?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
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Lost in Space
#118292: Apr 5th 2016 at 12:20:23 PM

Indeed. It is almost certain that Trump would not have anything resembling the legal authority to order banks to stop conducting business with Mexico.

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NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#118293: Apr 5th 2016 at 12:22:42 PM

All he'd need do would be declared a state of emergency involving Mexico, and he would be able to seize the Remittances.

We did it before, to countries and people suspect of terrorism.

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Lost in Space
#118295: Apr 5th 2016 at 12:25:19 PM

Taxing them on the U.S. end would be, well, illegal, absent new legislation from Congress; they are already subject to income tax in as much as they derive from wages earned here. I am sure that Mexico taxes them as income, or at least could.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#118296: Apr 5th 2016 at 12:32:52 PM

If you are poor in another country you should hat Bernie Sanders Free trade has been one of the greatest equalizing forces around the world.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#118297: Apr 5th 2016 at 12:35:51 PM

Yeah one of the big issues for the global south is actually that free trade doesn't exist, specifically there's free trade on manufactured goods (which are often made in the global north but have moved south), but not in agricultural goods (which the global south produces a lot of).

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#118298: Apr 5th 2016 at 12:35:54 PM

[up][up] Doubtful. Most of the profit margin is skimmed off by the wealthy on both ends. Also, he's running for President of the United States, not President of the Worldwide U.S. Fan Club.

edited 5th Apr '16 12:36:51 PM by Fighteer

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#118299: Apr 5th 2016 at 12:36:23 PM

This doesn't suddenly make him a bad candidate. Not the best possible candidate in the world, but he's still better than the others. And he'd have a cabinet and economists to point out that isn't the best choice.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#118300: Apr 5th 2016 at 12:37:25 PM

But would he listen to them?

edited 5th Apr '16 1:09:45 PM by Ultimatum

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