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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#118151: Apr 3rd 2016 at 4:46:07 AM

What I read is that the suspected Israeli company approached the FBI with the offer to hack the phone. Not the other way around.

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#118152: Apr 3rd 2016 at 6:00:55 AM

[up][up]I meant this strictly in the context of homeland security by a government agency, not common trade.

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#118153: Apr 3rd 2016 at 7:03:11 AM

Strictly speaking, you don't have to be paranoid and jingoistic to be in federal law enforcement. But it helps.

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storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
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#118154: Apr 3rd 2016 at 7:37:04 AM

Does the FBI being able to hack iphones now count as politics?

It's not exactly surprising to anyone paying attention. Just look at the history of jailbreaking. If you're willing to spend enough and have people who know what they're doing, you can always find a way in.

The good news is that the FBI didn't manage to get their precedent, so Apple can just patch the vulnerability, same as always. Yawn.

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#118155: Apr 3rd 2016 at 7:52:34 AM

Anyone with enough time and money can hack a computer device... No security is completely secure. The point of Apple's argument is that companies should not be forced to provide backdoors into their own programs. The difference between what the FBI asked Apple to do and what the FBI actually did is the difference between having a skeleton key for every lock so as to open any door and picking the lock to open the door. The FBI having a warrant to break into an iPhone and using hacker methods to break into said iPhone is perfectly reasonable.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#118156: Apr 3rd 2016 at 8:10:02 AM

So in one of the weirdest Primary twists so far, Bernie Sanders may have just won the Nevada delegate caucus by virtue of Hillary's appointed delegates (AND alternates) not showing up to cast their vote. And an alternate site that seems to be a more local paper in Nevada. The regular caucus results still stand, but more of the delegates in attendance voted for Sanders as their preferred nominee, tipping the 12 that will be appointed in May towards Sanders over Clinton.

Nearly 9,000 delegates were elected on caucus day in late February, but only 3,825 showed up to Saturday’s convention. An additional 915 elected alternates and 604 unelected alternates also turned out to support their favored candidate.

The final delegate count was 2,964 for Sanders and 2,386 for Clinton. That means the Sanders campaign will send 1,613 delegates to the state convention, while the Clinton campaign will send 1,298.

edited 3rd Apr '16 9:31:32 AM by ironballs16

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Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#118157: Apr 3rd 2016 at 9:13:57 AM

[up] Clinton's appointed delegates didn't show up to vote? That is both ironic and potentially prophetic.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#118158: Apr 3rd 2016 at 9:29:21 AM

She does seem to be cracking under the pressure in the past week. She's had a number of freakouts and is now insulting Bernie a lot more.

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#118159: Apr 3rd 2016 at 9:36:39 AM

Wait I'm confused, Nevada has a Primary and a caucus?

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#118160: Apr 3rd 2016 at 9:56:22 AM

@ ironballs:

There's a saying that fits this situation — History is made by those that show up.

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#118161: Apr 3rd 2016 at 9:56:55 AM

Caucuses are multi-tiered, which lets shenanigans "win" a caucus even if the street-level voters chose another candidate. It just puts several layers between the public vote and the people who are sent to the convention, as opposed to regular primaries where the delegates are chosen by the voters directly.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#118162: Apr 3rd 2016 at 10:59:24 AM

Really, the entire caucus system in particular just looks like an even bigger shit show than the rest of the primaries. Maybe it made sense at some point but its clearly archaic.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#118163: Apr 3rd 2016 at 12:49:21 PM

@Librarian: What freakouts? I think you're just blowing reactions out of proportion a tiny bit.

Anyway, caucuses just sound so complicated to me. I mean, just voting for your preferred candidate is no muss, no fuss. Caucuses appear to take a literal whole night of your time. I'd really prefer it if we could just replace all caucuses with preferential voting and such or something. (I live in Texas, all I had to do was fill out a ballot and I honestly don't know if I'd have the energy to attend a caucus because that sounds like a goddamn circus.)

@Jack, I think ironballs was using primary to refer to the whole thing going on, not Nevada in particular.

edited 3rd Apr '16 12:50:25 PM by AceofSpades

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#118164: Apr 3rd 2016 at 12:56:15 PM

[up] I think her reaction to that Greenpeace activist was more than a little bit of a freakout. It also left a bitter taste in my mouth, considering how confrontational and Trump-like she was with her tone and choice of words.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#118165: Apr 3rd 2016 at 12:59:34 PM

Yeah, she's become a lot more confrontational lately.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#118166: Apr 3rd 2016 at 1:02:09 PM

[up]Like what? You said she's had a lot of freak outs, assuming the Greenpeace thing counts as one what are the others?

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#118167: Apr 3rd 2016 at 1:13:47 PM

Librarian said "a number" which is more than one. And since the Greenpeace thing doesn't seem to have made it to the big news channels I don't think many people care about that particular incident. (Generally if things get onto the big news channels it's going to have more of an effect on her.) Frankly I watched that thing and it didn't seem all that bad to me, because a freakout to me indicates a panic.

Also, insulting Bernie more? When he's her competition? Well yeah, that tends to be a thing in political contests and she's not even getting that bad. (Granted, this opinion may be skewed this year because of the Republicans to which we'll inevitably compare the Democratic race.) If by insult, you mean continuing her general point about Sanders' plans that she's been saying the whole time anyway. dd

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#118168: Apr 3rd 2016 at 1:20:43 PM

Ted Cruz picked up six delegates in Colorado on the opening day of Colorado's complicated delegate selection process.

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#118169: Apr 3rd 2016 at 1:23:32 PM

Greenpeace thing was picked up by Wa Po, at least. Don't know about cable news in that regard, because cable news is largely vapid garbage that I've long since stopped watching. Most people get their news from the internet nowadays. Only people whose main source of news is cable are grandparents, at this point.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#118170: Apr 3rd 2016 at 1:27:23 PM

I always saw Clinton as confrontational. I just thought that was a good thing. In moderation and with some self-restraint, that is.

So I'm not so concerned about her getting confrontational exactly. But yeah, I can also see why some might be concerned about her losing her cool, if you're going to be confrontational you should maintain face and self-restraint or it makes you look weak.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#118171: Apr 3rd 2016 at 1:46:48 PM

Florida police will now actually have to arrest and charge a person with a crime before attempting to seize and keep their money and property under the state's asset forfeiture laws.

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#118173: Apr 3rd 2016 at 1:55:34 PM

Yeah, that's been on their books for at least a few decades (because I read a couple of news articles about those laws like 17-18 years ago).

Good to see that's gone.

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#118174: Apr 3rd 2016 at 1:55:54 PM

Do the charges have to stick or can they be dropped the moment the stuff is taken and the stuff then kept?

[up][up] Police in several US states can simply seize money if someone has enough, the person is assumed guilty until proven innocent of having the money for nefarious purposes, they have to prove themselves innocent to get it back. It's the same logic as the "if a women has three condoms she's a prostitute unless proven otherwise" laws.

edited 3rd Apr '16 1:57:40 PM by Silasw

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#118175: Apr 3rd 2016 at 1:57:16 PM

Hillary Clinton told George Stephanopoulos during an interview today that she’s all in for a proposed Good Morning America debate with Bernie Sanders.

April 15th. Mark your calendars.

edited 3rd Apr '16 2:02:56 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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