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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#117176: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:34:53 AM

Because these people are actually pretty normal. They're not serial killers with some neurosis that'd land them on a CSI episode. This isn't some premeditated thing.

They're average human beings. You probably know a few.

edited 24th Mar '16 9:35:30 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#117177: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:35:25 AM

If a guy is still willing to rape/maim/kill a woman knowing that the police are on their way, why would something as flimsy as a gender taboo stop them?

Dude, seriously. Have you got hacked or something? This is so unlike you.

Telling a creepy guy to fuck off provokes him, and thus makes it far more likely for him to do all these things. Assholes are much bigger assholes when provoked. Women who hide don't want even risking that chance, for a good reason. Too many times the law just isn't on their side.

edited 24th Mar '16 9:35:55 AM by Luminosity

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#117178: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:37:11 AM

Social conditioning is remarkably and surprisingly strong, actually. It's how taboos keep being taboos. In any case you seem to be assuming that it'd be just them alone and not say, in a place with other people who would catch this guy in the restroom. Like say, a bar. Which is certainly the scenario that came to my mind when Garcon brought the issue up. Now, someone that's been isolated, that's a much different level of danger and restrooms have ceased mattering.

Again, you're sounding oddly tone deaf about this issue.

edited 24th Mar '16 9:37:59 AM by AceofSpades

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#117179: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:39:41 AM

Yeah, I should have mentioned that the whole hiding in the bathroom thing usually occurs in a social place like a bar or a club or even university.

The barrier there is social convention, not like the physical bathroom stall door.

And it's social convention that would lead to a woman being assaulted in the first place.

edited 24th Mar '16 9:40:05 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#117180: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:42:52 AM

I guess I've forgotten what it felt like to be weak and bullied. Memories are flooding back. I remember hiding in the bathroom during so many recesses. That adult women would still go through that shit is... unforgivable.

Still, the point is, well-designed gender-neutral bathrooms provide you with all the privacy and safety you could possibly need. You just need to build them right.

EDIT: So many ninjas. If it's social convention that blocks them, then gendered bathrooms only work by virtue of there being witnesses. If there are witnesses, it doesn't matter if they're all women or if it's a mixed audience.

edited 24th Mar '16 9:45:15 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#117181: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:45:05 AM

Not really. Gender neutral bathrooms don't have that social convention barrier.

And women lose one of the few places where they can be safe.

Oh really when?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#117182: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:45:54 AM

The discussion here is not on topic for a politics thread, folks.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#117183: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:55:02 AM

Let's just take it to the sexism thread or something, because I still don't quite understand how the whole scenario works, and I feel like this is something I need to understand.

As for "this so unlike you", etc., just because I'm a feminist with a strong attachment to fairness and justice doesn't mean that I have the imagination or the empathy to put myself in a woman's shoes. The reason why I am where I am politically on this matter and others is because I listen when an injustice is pointed out to me, and take it to heart to correct it. It's not because I have a great sensitivity for guessing others' POV.

Tanking it back to politics, this applies to racism as well. Cracked had a nice article on how casual racists don't know they are such, and why it's so hard to make them listen. I used to be stupid about racism and sexism in exactly the same way the folks in the article were, except when my asshole behaviours were pointed out to me, I listened. I still needed them pointed out to me in the first place, though.

edited 24th Mar '16 9:59:17 AM by TheHandle

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#117184: Mar 24th 2016 at 10:07:23 AM

Tanking it back to politics, this applies to racism as well.

Even ignoring the misspelling of "taking", you do realize you're actually attempting to substitute one brand of off-topic-ness for another, right? That article has little to do with actual politics.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#117185: Mar 24th 2016 at 10:11:33 AM

Sorry, I guess I'm simply not thinking straight this evening.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#117186: Mar 24th 2016 at 12:20:34 PM

So a lot of sites are accusing Hillary of what went down in Arizona, which I'm not entirely convinced of. She's no friend to the right-wing, so I can't really imagine she'd have the required connections to pull off something of that magnitude, but you know shit's gone south when the very first Google prompt when typing in "Arizona" is "Arizona voter fraud".

Hell, it's only been 2 days, and there are enough Whitehouse.gov signatures to warrant an official response to calls for a Federal investigation into the whole fiasco.

And Daily Kos has a decent write-up regarding just how many aspects of the Arizona Primary went wrong, and not just in Maricopa County. The point about Yavapai County having a precinct where 2/3 of voters were (allegedly) mistakenly identified as Independents is particularly worrying.

edited 24th Mar '16 12:24:59 PM by ironballs16

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#117187: Mar 24th 2016 at 12:20:45 PM

Lindsey Graham endorses Ted Cruz.

He likes Kasich more, but knows he can't win.

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#117188: Mar 24th 2016 at 12:32:12 PM

Already reported here about a week or so ago.

Even after he endorsed him, Graham still calls him out on his foreign policy bs though, which is refreshing.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#117189: Mar 24th 2016 at 12:33:59 PM

[up][up][up] Would explain how Trump somehow won there.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#117190: Mar 24th 2016 at 12:37:58 PM

Huh. My impression was that Arizona as a border state would have a Republican electorate particularly open to anti-immigration pandering.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#117191: Mar 24th 2016 at 1:02:44 PM

Okay, the article I linked to had a couple new bits of information that I didn't see before.

1) Apparently Phoenix's mayor, Greg Stanton, wrote a letter to the DOJ asking them to conduct an investigation into the Primary, and both he and Arizona Governor Doug Ducey came out publicly to decry the Epic Fail they'd had on Tuesday.

2) And extremely disconcerting...

There are a growing number of reports of people in NY, PA, MD, and CA discovering their voter registration has been changed from Democrat, which means they will not be able to vote in upcoming closed primaries. (My understanding is that CA has an open primary).

And given that NY's cutoff is October 10th, 2015 to vote in the April 19th, 2016 primary, that'd be really bad for effected voters.

[down][down]

Only for newly-registered voters in NY - if you wanted to change your existing affiliation, the cutoff was October 9th, 2015, with the goal (ostensibly) being to prevent "party raiding" to sabotage the opposing party's Primary election by stacking the vote in your favor.

edited 24th Mar '16 1:19:25 PM by ironballs16

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#117192: Mar 24th 2016 at 1:04:14 PM

The plot thickens.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#117193: Mar 24th 2016 at 1:04:21 PM

Its not October 10th. The cutoff was this week.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#117194: Mar 24th 2016 at 1:04:49 PM

[up][up][up][up] Maybe the heat has gotten to their heads.

edited 24th Mar '16 1:05:03 PM by Bat178

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#117195: Mar 24th 2016 at 1:09:10 PM

Is there any chance that the law in NC could happen in other states?

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#117197: Mar 24th 2016 at 1:16:13 PM

[up][up] Its definitely possible, especially if the law goes unchallenged.

The Illinois Supreme Court dealt Mayor Rahm Emanuel a blow in his effort to shore up two city worker pension funds, finding unconstitutional a law that sought to cut benefits and require employees to pay more toward their retirement.

I really do detest Rahm.

Already reported here about a week or so ago.

edited 25th Mar '16 12:32:51 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#117198: Mar 24th 2016 at 1:22:31 PM

My dad said he saw a Republican say, "If Trump wins the nomination, the Republicans will lose, and the party will split apart. If Cruz wins the nomination, the Republicans will lose, but the party will stay together."

He says he's okay with both outcomes. What do you think of either? Cruz is a recognizable faction of Republican: religious right. Even if not totally establishment, and hated by the establishment, Cruz is at least one of the groups the Republicans normally pander to, and therefore him winning the nomination but losing the general doesn't really threaten orthodoxy. I think the Republicans may be at least vaguely aware that many Americans hate the religious right, especially as the percentage who identify as Christian drops every year or so, and the percent who identify as non-religious climbs. A loss could possibly be blamed on that factor.

Trump is the one who's showing that the Republican party's values don't matter much to an enormous number of Republican voters. Him losing the general election... it could mean part of the party says "I told you so!" and... how would it exactly tear the party apart? Him failing would send a bigger message to the establishment that they're right than Cruz failing, I would think?

edited 24th Mar '16 1:28:56 PM by BonsaiForest

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#117199: Mar 24th 2016 at 1:33:58 PM

Trump may have never held a political office, but he is the very definition of The Man who buys politicians for himself. Calling him an "outsider" is ridiculous.

His platform is based on the idea that he knows how corrupt the system is because he helped corrupt it. "This place is broken. Look how much it let me got away with."

A bit late with this response, but:

That right there. That's Trump.

edited 24th Mar '16 1:34:18 PM by TobiasDrake

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#117200: Mar 24th 2016 at 1:40:15 PM

Trump wins the nomination, the Republicans will lose, and the party will split apart. If Cruz wins the nomination, the Republicans will lose, but the party will stay together.

If Cruz were to win the nomination via a brokered convention, I'd expect a lot of bitterness from Trump fans. I think what happens next depends on what Trump says.

If Cruz gets the nomination and doesn't win the general election I could very well see this as the end of the Republican party. At the very least it could have major repercussions for the GOP establishment.

edited 24th Mar '16 1:47:05 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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