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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
All these kinds of legal shenanigans do is make me think that having gender-segregated bathrooms at all is rather pointless. But that's part and parcel with the whole gender roles and accompanying sexual insecurity issues that trans people are buried in in the first place.
Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.What makes the whole thing even stupider is that if you really can't handle being in a bathroom with somebody who might potentially be sexually attracted to you, well I've got some bad news. You're already doing that. At some point, you have shared a washroom with a gay or a bi person. I bet you didn't realize it either, which is the point I'm driving at here.
Here in Stockholm more and more bathrooms are not gendered.
It can make them hard to find if you don't know where to look for them, because there's nothing replacing the "little man" and "little woman" icons...
edited 24th Mar '16 9:07:05 AM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Considering that I've never seen or heard of a urinal with a stall door, I'm not so sure I want non-segregated bathrooms either. I don't go in there to see stranger's junk.
@The Handle: Do you mean why would someone hide in the restroom specifically or why a woman would need to hide from creepy guys? Because that second one uh... I would think the reason would be obvious.
Eh, there's inevitably a whole lot of overlap in US politics and LGBT rights in America so I think either is appropriate.
edited 24th Mar '16 9:20:19 AM by AceofSpades
Well, creepy guys are powerless to actually hurt you without breaking the law, so if you find their presence unwelcome you can just tell them to fuck off.
Or, I don't know, what are the legal tools in the US for dealing with creepy people?
edited 24th Mar '16 9:24:04 AM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.If a sexual predator is disobeying the law against rape and sexual abuse, do you think they will stop because of a law against entering a room? Arson, Murder but no Jaywalking?
No, see, that's only a valid argument when you're talking about guns. Otherwise that's silly, of course it'll stop them.
That goes beyond creepy and straight into call-the-police mode. In which case, you should call the police. And let the would-be assaulter know that you called the cops on them. If they decide to go forward still...
But hiding in a bathroom or a broom closet or wherever simply means that the predator goes on to stalk someone else.
edited 24th Mar '16 9:29:57 AM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Now you're assuming the police care to show up for a woman saying a man is creepy. And again that you'll live that long between the guy seeing you call them and them getting to you. And that when they get there that they'll actually do anything.
Life as a woman is fucking awful.
edited 24th Mar '16 9:27:28 AM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?There's really nothing stopping us from redesigning bathroom architecture to compensate if basic privacy concerns still are an issue.
And by the time society is actually ready to take a step like that, gender roles will most likely have been sanded away to the point where women shouldn't have any particular reason to be more afraid of men than men are of women.
All that's theoretical of course. In the more immediate meantime, it would help if certain lawmakers stopped assuming that trans people were more at risk of being predators than of being preyed upon by insecure non-trans people.
Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.In general, an argument people make too often is "people break laws, so why even have them?".
In this case, a man running into a woman's room and raping a girl would be a very high-profile thing to do, and would get them caught. They'd need to be sneakier than that.
Leviticus 19:34Guys, let's not devolve into a circular argument. Handle, your response is remarkably tone deaf here, which isn't what I'd usually expect of you. Suffice to say, restrooms are often used as an escape from a bad situation because the taboo about going into one not marked for you is remarkably strong. "Calling the police" isn't always possible right when you're in the middle of a situation, even assuming best case scenarios for response time.
The banning of transgender folks from going into the right one is bullshit though.
Anyway, you can hide in gender-neutral bathrooms. They are all locked individually, with none of that stalls-that-don't-reach-all-the-way-up-or-down bullshit. Even in gendered bathrooms, those things are extremely uncomfortable. When I was a kid, they certainly failed to stop any bullies. I have some bad memories from those goddamned privacy-less bathrooms.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.This. A woman has to assume that the police won't dismiss her outright, that it will actually show up before the creepy guy [kills/rapes/mutilates/all three] her, and won't try to talk her out of pressing charges as apparently a staggering amount of cops do.
Taking on the entire patriarcial system is just not feasable for many people, so they choose to wait the menace out. That's their only option.
edited 24th Mar '16 9:32:14 AM by Luminosity
If a guy is still willing to rape/maim/kill a woman knowing that the police are on their way, why would something as flimsy as a gender taboo stop them? Are they afraid people will call them perverts?
edited 24th Mar '16 9:34:15 AM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

That is awesome. Seeing so many big businesses rise against that bullshit and have a chance at beating it is glorious.
(jealously) If it were Russia, that bill would have been passed without a second fucking glance...
edited 24th Mar '16 8:50:16 AM by Luminosity