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Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#117151: Mar 24th 2016 at 8:41:32 AM

Time Warner joins fight against the anti-gay bill.

That is awesome. Seeing so many big businesses rise against that bullshit and have a chance at beating it is glorious.

(jealously) If it were Russia, that bill would have been passed without a second fucking glance...

[down] Well yes, they are, but opposing bills like that being positive PR at all is already a thing beyond my designated shithole...

edited 24th Mar '16 8:50:16 AM by Luminosity

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#117152: Mar 24th 2016 at 8:47:20 AM

Bah, they're just doing it for the PR. Cable companies are disgustingly corrupt.

Oh really when?
Antiteilchen In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good. Since: Sep, 2013
In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good.
#117153: Mar 24th 2016 at 8:47:33 AM

a predator might pretend to be a transgendered person
Has that happened, like ever?

If a sexual predator is disobeying the law against rape and sexual abuse, do you think they will stop because of a law against entering a room? Arson, Murder but no Jaywalking?

Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#117154: Mar 24th 2016 at 8:58:35 AM

All these kinds of legal shenanigans do is make me think that having gender-segregated bathrooms at all is rather pointless. But that's part and parcel with the whole gender roles and accompanying sexual insecurity issues that trans people are buried in in the first place.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#117155: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:05:21 AM

What makes the whole thing even stupider is that if you really can't handle being in a bathroom with somebody who might potentially be sexually attracted to you, well I've got some bad news. You're already doing that. At some point, you have shared a washroom with a gay or a bi person. I bet you didn't realize it either, which is the point I'm driving at here.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#117156: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:06:13 AM

Here in Stockholm more and more bathrooms are not gendered.

It can make them hard to find if you don't know where to look for them, because there's nothing replacing the "little man" and "little woman" icons...

edited 24th Mar '16 9:07:05 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#117157: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:10:38 AM

Trans people should use the bathrooms fitting their gender. Not sex.

And we should have gender divided bathrooms. I can't tell you how many times my women friends have had to hide in a bathroom from a creepy guy.

Oh really when?
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#117158: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:15:30 AM

Why would anyone need to do that?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#117159: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:16:14 AM

Why would women need to hide from men?

Come on man, use your head.

Oh really when?
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#117160: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:16:26 AM

Also, shouldn't this discussion be in the "LGBT rights and America" thread?

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#117161: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:17:10 AM

Yes.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#117162: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:17:16 AM

Considering that I've never seen or heard of a urinal with a stall door, I'm not so sure I want non-segregated bathrooms either. I don't go in there to see stranger's junk.

@The Handle: Do you mean why would someone hide in the restroom specifically or why a woman would need to hide from creepy guys? Because that second one uh... I would think the reason would be obvious.

[up] [up]Eh, there's inevitably a whole lot of overlap in US politics and LGBT rights in America so I think either is appropriate.

edited 24th Mar '16 9:20:19 AM by AceofSpades

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#117163: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:23:02 AM

Well, creepy guys are powerless to actually hurt you without breaking the law, so if you find their presence unwelcome you can just tell them to fuck off.

Or, I don't know, what are the legal tools in the US for dealing with creepy people?

edited 24th Mar '16 9:24:04 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#117164: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:24:11 AM

Yeah no, that literally never works. That's how you get assaulted.

Oh really when?
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#117165: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:24:23 AM

Has that happened, like ever?

If a sexual predator is disobeying the law against rape and sexual abuse, do you think they will stop because of a law against entering a room? Arson, Murder but no Jaywalking?

No, see, that's only a valid argument when you're talking about guns. Otherwise that's silly, of course it'll stop them.

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#117166: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:25:05 AM

@Handle And get assaulted, then hope you'll survive the encounter and if yes, that the inevitable courts will be on your side?

For a lot of people ihe only option is to wait the threat out. It has to be this way for many people.

edited 24th Mar '16 9:25:12 AM by Luminosity

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#117167: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:25:41 AM

That goes beyond creepy and straight into call-the-police mode. In which case, you should call the police. And let the would-be assaulter know that you called the cops on them. If they decide to go forward still...

But hiding in a bathroom or a broom closet or wherever simply means that the predator goes on to stalk someone else.

edited 24th Mar '16 9:29:57 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#117168: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:26:44 AM

Now you're assuming the police care to show up for a woman saying a man is creepy. And again that you'll live that long between the guy seeing you call them and them getting to you. And that when they get there that they'll actually do anything.

Life as a woman is fucking awful.

edited 24th Mar '16 9:27:28 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#117169: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:27:52 AM

There's really nothing stopping us from redesigning bathroom architecture to compensate if basic privacy concerns still are an issue.

And by the time society is actually ready to take a step like that, gender roles will most likely have been sanded away to the point where women shouldn't have any particular reason to be more afraid of men than men are of women.

All that's theoretical of course. In the more immediate meantime, it would help if certain lawmakers stopped assuming that trans people were more at risk of being predators than of being preyed upon by insecure non-trans people.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#117170: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:28:20 AM

In general, an argument people make too often is "people break laws, so why even have them?".

In this case, a man running into a woman's room and raping a girl would be a very high-profile thing to do, and would get them caught. They'd need to be sneakier than that.

Leviticus 19:34
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#117171: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:29:34 AM

Guys, let's not devolve into a circular argument. Handle, your response is remarkably tone deaf here, which isn't what I'd usually expect of you. Suffice to say, restrooms are often used as an escape from a bad situation because the taboo about going into one not marked for you is remarkably strong. "Calling the police" isn't always possible right when you're in the middle of a situation, even assuming best case scenarios for response time.

The banning of transgender folks from going into the right one is bullshit though.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#117172: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:30:41 AM

Anyway, you can hide in gender-neutral bathrooms. They are all locked individually, with none of that stalls-that-don't-reach-all-the-way-up-or-down bullshit. Even in gendered bathrooms, those things are extremely uncomfortable. When I was a kid, they certainly failed to stop any bullies. I have some bad memories from those goddamned privacy-less bathrooms.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#117173: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:30:46 AM

Now you're assuming the police care to show up for a woman saying a man is creepy. And again that you'll live that long between the guy seeing you call them and them getting to you. And that when they get there that they'll actually do anything.

This. A woman has to assume that the police won't dismiss her outright, that it will actually show up before the creepy guy [kills/rapes/mutilates/all three] her, and won't try to talk her out of pressing charges as apparently a staggering amount of cops do.

Taking on the entire patriarcial system is just not feasable for many people, so they choose to wait the menace out. That's their only option.

edited 24th Mar '16 9:32:14 AM by Luminosity

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#117174: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:31:46 AM

"When seconds matter, the police are just minutes away!"

Leviticus 19:34
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#117175: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:33:16 AM

If a guy is still willing to rape/maim/kill a woman knowing that the police are on their way, why would something as flimsy as a gender taboo stop them? Are they afraid people will call them perverts?

edited 24th Mar '16 9:34:15 AM by TheHandle

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