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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
@ Fighteer in Post 116567
I was interpreting the superdelegate thing to be saying that if he didn't have enough votes that he would ask the superdelegates to switch- because if he did have enough he wouldn't need to rely on the superdelegates, right? Maybe I misunderstood.
RE Garland, I'm an idiot. Not sure why it didn't click for me that Obama would only be withdrawing Garland if he didn't receive a vote/received a no vote.
Clinton is only doing well with black Americans, and so far only in Southern states. Sanders has strong margins among younger blacks and in more liberal states, like Michigan.
"Race problem" my butt. "White-centric" my posterior.
If anything, we should be looking purely at the swing states since we don't know how they'll vote in the general.
- Iowa wants Clinton & Cruz.
- New Hampshire wants Sanders & Trump
- Nevada wants Clinton & Trump.
- Colorado wants Sanders. The Republican Primary in Colorado has not happened yet.
- Florida wants Clinton & Trump.
- Ohio wants Clinton & Kasich.
Effectively, Sanders is a better general election candidate than Cruz or Kasich, but not when compared to Clinton and Trump.
edited 18th Mar '16 9:57:22 AM by GameGuruGG
Wizard Needs Food BadlyOh good, we're no longer indulging the guy who is clearly on some campaign's payroll. Seriously, I don't mean that as an insult; I looked it up. We have tools for that. The only thing that account has ever done on this site is post anti-Clinton rhetoric in this and only this thread. Somebody's campaign somewhere has discovered that the internet is a great way to propagandize.
I anticipate we'll probably have a new "Clinton is the devil" person showing up in the near future. Different person, same agenda. I don't know if it's the Sanders campaign or one of the Republicans, but someone desperately wants to get the word out on our very popular website that you shouldn't vote for Clinton because she's a spider-monster who eats babies.
Not necessarily. There are a lot of Republicans willing to vote Democrat if it means Trump doesn't get into office. Like, look at Texas. Trump won 48 delegates in Texas but lost to Cruz's 104, while Clinton won with 147, almost as many as both of them combined. Trump won 40 delegates in Georgia to Clinton's 73. Trump won Alabama with 36 delegates, Hillary won Alabama with 44. There are almost twice as many people in the Democrat primary than the Republican one even in red states.
Trump's winning the Republican primary but it's heavily split between him and the other candidates. The same can be said for Hillary vs. Sanders but there is little fear of Sanders supporters going to Trump's side. With Rubio out of the running and Cruz destined for failure, there are probably plenty of people who would gladly vote Hillary over Trump but don't have a chance to do so as of yet because they're registered Republican.
edited 18th Mar '16 9:58:38 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Basically, I think there are a lot of red folks who are willing to vote for Hillary's suspiciously red-looking shade of blue over the conspicuous Swastika slapped in the middle of Trump's red.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I would like to point out that's dangerously close to a conspiracy theory. And considering the guy spewing those just got banned, indulging in those right then and there again is... kinda hypocritical.
And if someone feels like painting Sanders voters by Solipsist, better paint Clinton voters by Nihlus too.
Who said he was working for Sanders? He could just as easily have been here for Cruz or even Trump; yes, there was that article about how Bill Clinton should be condemned for discussing politics with Trump, but Trump knows how infamous he is; I certainly wouldn't put it past him to try and condemn people by proxy for associating with himself. Anything that weakens Clinton would make him stronger when he's facing her in the general election.
I make no assumptions as to who the guy was trying to convince us to vote for, but his political agenda was pretty clear given that condemning Clinton is literally the only thing he's ever done on this entire site. No wiki edits, no posts in other threads, nothing but propaganda.
edited 18th Mar '16 10:10:09 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.@Blue Moon Mario- Thanks. One thing I am seeing from those cites as well as this article I found on the Latino vote
is that it seems like who won the state affects who won the demographic groups of that state (which I guess is a Captain Obvious thing now that I think about it).
Also, I probably shouldn't be venturing in this area (mods, feel free to thump) but while Nihilis was clearly a Republican concern troll, I did sometimes wonder about Owl, although they seemed to be sincere about supporting Sanders in a way Nihilis never was about supporting Clinton.
I did note though how Owl was oddly willing to buy into Republican anti-Clinton attacks and seemed to post a few moderately positive articles about Trump (i.e. stuff about his doing well and in one case an article favorable towards his and Sanders' anti-free trade views).
They may be the mythical Trump supporting Sanders voter.
edited 18th Mar '16 10:12:47 AM by Hodor2
The lack of focus on other minorities probably has to do with the lack of focus on non black or Hispanic minorities in general. Muslims only ever get brought up when talking about terrorism and how they either all are or aren't terrorists and Asians only when to talk about how much better they're doing than other minorities and how that's proof the system isn't racist.
Most states with a substantial Asian population percentage wise are already guaranteed to go blue either way. I'm not even sure there is a state where Muslim population could significantly affect the vote.
Not to say that Sanders reaching out isn't good, it's great, but that's probably the rationale behind it. As for Hilary, I could buy the theory that Trump is doing so well advertising against the Republican brand that Hilary doesn't even feel the need to bother. Which I could understandably see people being annoyed with her about.
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And condemning Israel. I wouldn't be surprised that after some prodding, he'd be the sort that would wish for Israel to be destroyed.
edited 18th Mar '16 10:11:54 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling On
x4 Having a political agenda and being literally paid to spread it are extensively different accusations, though. I mean, why would anyone have a political agenda in a political thread, am I right?
Occam's Razor. It's much simpler and likelier he was just like that, other than getting literally paid to spread the word on some forum.
I just want any conspiracy theories to be called out, not just his.
edited 18th Mar '16 10:12:31 AM by Luminosity
It remains to be seen how large a group of people that is, but I'd honestly feel pretty good about Clinton or Sanders against Trump in the general election.
edited 18th Mar '16 10:16:24 AM by NativeJovian
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Michigan is liberal?