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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#116476: Mar 17th 2016 at 8:41:32 PM

[up]AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbyist groups in the country.

Israel/Palestine are hot-button issues. AIPAC and its interests tend to silence students and oppose freedom of speech on college campuses. They get people fired or expelled for being pro-Palestine.

They also spent $40 million opposing the Iran Deal.

edited 17th Mar '16 8:46:25 PM by SolipsistOwl

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#116477: Mar 17th 2016 at 8:52:58 PM

What exactly stops protesters from trying to crash the event
Very, very, very large amounts of security, I imagine? I mean, you've got four presidential candidates, with their Secret Service details, and the various other persons of import (including, I assume, Congresspeople) present, the latter necessitating lots of security of their own. I'm pretty sure it'll be more secure than the White House for that day, and without having to build a second fence.

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#116478: Mar 17th 2016 at 11:07:33 PM

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Israel/Palestine are hot-button issues. AIPAC and its interests tend to silence students and oppose freedom of speech on college campuses. They get people fired or expelled for being pro-Palestine.

I thought Students now do that, in the other direction?

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#116479: Mar 17th 2016 at 11:32:58 PM

Can students fire people? I mean, I can imagine student allegations could cause someone to be fired, but I'm not sure if there's like a student conspiracy or anything.

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#116480: Mar 17th 2016 at 11:58:44 PM

Is it a conspiracy when student advocacy groups protest someone, shame them in public, and/or demand their resignation/firing? I think the word you're looking for is "activism" or "organization" or "association".

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#116481: Mar 18th 2016 at 12:19:04 AM

I mean, Donald Trump sought Bill Clinton's advice prior to running. In all likelihood, Bill suggested it.

HA HA HA—No.

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#116482: Mar 18th 2016 at 1:31:16 AM

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More ironically, the government cuts here (more neo-liberal in nature than common sense) have made it very difficult for services to work. Bernie could use that to shoot down accusations of "naivity".

edited 18th Mar '16 1:33:53 AM by TerminusEst

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#116483: Mar 18th 2016 at 2:21:43 AM

I thought Students now do that, in the other direction?

It goes both ways. AIPAC uses political muscle, students use activism and protests.

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#116484: Mar 18th 2016 at 3:24:03 AM

[up] As well as political muscle, though they have next to none of it in the US.

edited 18th Mar '16 4:20:50 AM by JackOLantern1337

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#116485: Mar 18th 2016 at 5:49:08 AM

[up][up][up][up] wild mass guessWhat better way to ensure that his wife won if not for enticing someone crazy enough to win the hearts of republicans and not the general.wild mass guess

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#116486: Mar 18th 2016 at 5:56:44 AM

Trump's been toying with a presidential run for decades. The idea that the Clintons somehow enticed him to do it is utter nonsense; a paranoid conspiracy theory made up by delusional establishment Republicans unwilling to accept that the rot came from within their own party.

edited 18th Mar '16 5:58:08 AM by DrDougsh

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#116487: Mar 18th 2016 at 6:01:02 AM

Hadn't Trump already ran for president several times but did so badly nobody even remembers those? Very ironic considering his "we win, win win" rhetoric.

edited 18th Mar '16 6:01:17 AM by Luminosity

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#116488: Mar 18th 2016 at 6:04:11 AM

Trump is winning now in the Republican primary. Sufficient margins in the next primaries (I've seen California mentioned as a "swing state" in the primary) may give him enough delegates to get the general election nomination.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#116489: Mar 18th 2016 at 6:06:31 AM

[up][up] Yep. Third party ticket, and dropped out before the primaries.

Incidentally, David Duke was one of the members of that same third party, and Trump cited him and his influence on the party as one of the reasons why he dropped out.

edited 18th Mar '16 6:27:54 AM by DrDougsh

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#116490: Mar 18th 2016 at 6:20:23 AM

Rubio isn't quite ragequitting. Florida doesn't let you run for more than one office in a primary, so he either had to be Rubio for President or Rubio for Senate, but not both. That's why his run was seen as so quixotic, there was only a brief period where he was really believed to have a strong shot at the Presidential ticket (briefly before Jeb came in, and briefly after Jeb left before it became apparent that he had no appeal), and he was sacrificing what could have been a long career in the Senate to do so.

Problem is, the guy doesn't want to do his job, and now that he's a lame duck, he has a good excuse not to!

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#116491: Mar 18th 2016 at 6:23:34 AM

Eh, Rubio can rot. Dude is a slimeball.

edited 18th Mar '16 6:23:50 AM by Fighteer

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#116492: Mar 18th 2016 at 6:46:24 AM

Is it a conspiracy when student advocacy groups protest someone, shame them in public, and/or demand their resignation/firing? I think the word you're looking for is "activism" or "organization" or "association".

Never heard of that, but I guess I'll take your word for it. I've heard plenty about parents doing that though.

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#116493: Mar 18th 2016 at 6:51:24 AM

David Duke was one of the members of that same third party, and Trump cited him and his influence on the party as one of the reasons why he dropped out.
The same David Duke he "would have to research" before denouncing.
Never heard of that, but I guess I'll take your word for it.
Not so much in the politics thread, but over in the sexism threads, there's been quite a bit of discussion. There was a professor fired because she wrote an editorial to the student body praising free speech and politely asking the students not to throw out the First Amendment to have safe spaces.

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#116494: Mar 18th 2016 at 7:30:53 AM

But the first amendment is about government censorship, isn't it?

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#116495: Mar 18th 2016 at 7:34:14 AM

Universities still had a giant free speech movement. Now of course the students have decided it only applies to them and people who agree with them, and everyone else is an evil racist who must die/be firedtongue Plus some Universities are publicly funded, so I suppose they count as public facilities.

Edit: Plus these people probably think the first amendment itself needs to go and be replaced by more European like speech protections.

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edited 18th Mar '16 7:40:56 AM by JackOLantern1337

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#116496: Mar 18th 2016 at 7:49:01 AM

The First Amendment extends to anything that the government directly funds or supports, such as public schools. However, students themselves have constrained free-speech rights in educational settings according to the courts.

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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#116497: Mar 18th 2016 at 7:51:38 AM

If it's not true, Bill is more than welcome to deny it. He has yet to do so.

Washington Post, August 5, 2015: Donald Trump talked politics with Bill Clinton weeks before launching 2016 bid

Former president Bill Clinton had a private telephone conversation in late spring with Donald Trump at the same time that the billionaire investor and reality-television star was nearing a decision to run for the White House, according to associates of both men.

Four Trump allies and one Clinton associate familiar with the exchange said that Clinton encouraged Trump’s efforts to play a larger role in the Republican Party and offered his own views of the political landscape.

Clinton’s personal office in New York confirmed that the call occurred in late May, but an aide to Clinton said the 2016 race was never specifically discussed and that it was only a casual chat.

The 42nd president listened intently and then analyzed Trump’s prospects and his desire to rouse the GOP base, the Trump allies said.

The tone of the call was informal, and Clinton never urged Trump to run, the four people said. Rather, they said, Clinton sounded curious about Trump’s moves toward a presidential bid and told Trump that he was striking a chord with frustrated conservatives and was a rising force on the right.

edited 18th Mar '16 7:55:45 AM by SolipsistOwl

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#116498: Mar 18th 2016 at 7:56:11 AM

A ploy to blow up the Republican party, maaaaaaaybe.

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#116499: Mar 18th 2016 at 8:06:38 AM

And as we all know, jet fuel can't melt steel beams, Nixon had JFK assassinated, and the moon landing was fake.

Are there any other conspiracy theories we can officially confirm without any shred of evidence?

On the topic of free speech, sure. Have all of it. Go on the streets and say all the shit you want, I'm not gonna stop you. The question is whether or not you should automatically be given a platform to say that kinda bullshit. If a student petition was started (and then reviewed by the university board who make these kinds of decisions) then evidently they thought the platform had been misused for this particular discussion. Wow, it's almost like higher learning institutions aren't run by an anarchic group of vaguely-defined PC robots that everyone can conveniently blame all of their ills on.

edited 18th Mar '16 8:12:05 AM by math792d

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#116500: Mar 18th 2016 at 8:11:09 AM

NVM.

edited 18th Mar '16 8:11:58 AM by LSBK


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