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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#116101: Mar 16th 2016 at 10:13:28 AM

Sanders is expected to do well in the next 7/8 states now that Clinton has run out of conservative voting areas.

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#116102: Mar 16th 2016 at 10:17:41 AM

EDIT: And yeah. Defense counsel are seriously the prosecutor's bitches most of the time. Anecdotally, I once spoke with a former public defender who got fired because he took a case to trial and won the case, which embarrassed the prosecutor and thus pissed off his boss. Last I heard, he was still working defense counsel when he could, but he had to pick up a divorce practice because pro bono work doesn't pay the bills.

I can totally see Franziska von Karma doing that to a defender.

This is weird. All I hear is how Ace Attorney is inaccurate in depicting the system(justfiable because it wasn't meant to have an American system to begin with), but more and more accuracies pop up.

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#116103: Mar 16th 2016 at 10:28:16 AM

[up][up][up] And I get that, I really do, but couldn't they have picked someone else to do that? Because if he does get in, we have maybe twenty years of him before someone else (maybe a Republican) picks his replacement.

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#116104: Mar 16th 2016 at 10:52:44 AM

Cruz would defiantly launch nukes, but you can be confident that they'd be aimed at another country, with Trump you don't even have that certainly.
Cruz definitely would.
her warhawkery meaning she'll start shit with Putin
I don't think it'll devolve into open warfare. I do expect that regardless of who gets elected, Putin will push in various global troublespots to get us drawn into a proxy war with him.
Obama is rumored to be nominating Garland to the supreme court.
The embodiment of chaos? Excellent choice.
Ted Cruz will debate...himself?
Didn't The Daily Show already do a Trump v Trump debate? Why can't Cruz get one of those too?
Because if he does get in, we have maybe twenty years of him before someone else (maybe a Republican) picks his replacement.
Quite honestly, if the Democrat wins the white house (as seems incredibly likely at this point) I would not at all be surprised if another 2-3 of the justices retired during the first half of their term. If Trump wins, I don't see any of them retiring. And if it does take 20 years to get a Republican in the White House, then either the party will have regained sanity, or the US will be a fascist state and I'll be living in another country. [tup]

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#116105: Mar 16th 2016 at 10:59:00 AM

I don't think it'll devolve into open warfare. I do expect that regardless of who gets elected, Putin will push in various global troublespots to get us drawn into a proxy war with him.

Forgive me, but that's not very reassuring. The prospect of getting driven further into poverty by economic sanctions because someone decided to show off is not very hopeful.

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#116106: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:00:53 AM

GOP official: The party chooses the nominee, not the voters

A member of the Republican National Committee's Rules Committee said Wednesday that the party will decide who the GOP nominee will be, not the voters.

"The media has created the perception that the voters will decide the nomination," Curly Haugland said in an interview with CNBC. "That's the conflict here."

"The political parties choose their nominees, not the general public, contrary to popular belief," he added.

Haugland was then asked what the point of holding primaries is if the party can disregard the will of the voters.

"That's a very good question," he responded.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#116108: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:01:54 AM

Democracy, ladies and gents!

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#116109: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:06:42 AM

Putin may flex his muscles, but Clinton is far too smart to let the nation be drawn into more proxy wars just so she can measure dicks against a tinpot dictator.

Also, if the RNC does toss out the primary vote and handpick a nominee, there will be hell to pay in the actual elections. Who do they think will vote for their candidate if they pull that kind of stunt?

edited 16th Mar '16 11:07:29 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
alioth Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#116110: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:08:56 AM

[up][up][up]They have a similar point to polls. They held the Republican leadership decide which of the candidates is the best candidate for the election, but just like polls can be wrong, they can be wrong or out of touch with the leadership. At least, that's how I'd interpret what they're saying. Really not a good idea, though.

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#116111: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:09:19 AM

Clinton is "far too smart"?

Dude. She didn't attend a single briefing on Iraq before voting in favor of the war. She'll bomb anyone to look 'strong.' Her mentor, after all, is infamous war criminal Henry Kissinger.

edited 16th Mar '16 11:10:22 AM by SolipsistOwl

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#116112: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:10:37 AM

Now that the Sanders candidacy is effectively dead I'll be curious to see what The Young Turks (lord I hate that name) and some of the other hard-left, no compromise, Internet media outfits do. They've spent months now talking about how great Sanders is, and how Clinton is nothing short of the Anti-Christ, and now they're either going to have to accept her candidacy, or be complicit in helping the Republicans win.

[up]Could you possibly be more alarmist?

edited 16th Mar '16 11:11:28 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#116113: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:11:35 AM

[up] You mean, like [up][up]?

[up][up]

She'll bomb anyone to look 'strong.'

Anyone? Even other Americans?

Keep Rolling On
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#116114: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:15:45 AM

Solipsist, I'm tempted to thump you. Cut the hysteria, please, or go find some Tumblr hangout to spew that stuff in.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#116115: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:16:19 AM

that's not very reassuring.
It's more reassuring than the alternative.
The prospect of getting driven further into poverty by economic sanctions because someone decided to show off is not very hopeful.
Putin sure seems to be heart-set on rebuilding the USSR. How's he supposed to do that without sparking proxy wars with the US and forcing people under his control to remember the good old days of gulags?
what the point of holding primaries is if the party can disregard the will of the voters.

"That's a very good question," he responded.

I thought primaries were created as an illusion to keep the underclass in line.
Dallas Rep. Pete Sessions wants Congress to declare magic a national treasure
As well it should be! grin
Magic, the measure’s sponsors assert, has limitless powers. The resolution describes the practice in heroic terms, stating it has the power “to impact the lives of all people” and “enables people to experience the impossible” and is a “unifying force across cultural, religious, ethnic and age differences.”

The resolution doesn’t say what kind of magic we’re dealing with exactly, whether the rabbit-in-the-hat or dark arts variety.

The Sessions staffer explained that the resolution was requested by an apparently influential contingent of magicians back home in Texas, led by Wylie Mayor Eric Hogue, known around town as “the magic mayor.”

If Hogue is any indication, think more cards and sleight-of-hand tricks than witchcraft. Hogue, a former clown who still practices magic, is the author of Clinky The Clown and The Secret of Happyville.

Well that's not so bad. But I'm pretty sure that Congress already knows and uses magic, given how quick they can make money disappear.

And in news that probably won't surprise any of us, the biggest correlation to supporting Trump is being white, unemployed, and living in a trailer park. Emphasis mine, full list at the link.

Wonder where in the U.S Donald Trump supporters come from? The places where Trump has done well cut across many of the opposites in American politics. The geographic North and South, the political liberal and conservative, or the lifestyle rural and suburban. But The New Yorker reports an element common to a significant share of Trump’s supporters, which is that they have missed the generation-long transition of the United States away from manufacturing and into a diverse, information-driven economy intertwined with the rest of the world.

There are other things in common too. When the Census Bureau asks Americans about their ancestors, some respondents don’t give a standard answer like “English” or “German.” Instead, they simply answer “American.” Places where these self-described Americans reside turn out to be the same places Donald Trump’s presidential campaign has done well.

A picture of Trump’s voters as uneducated and nationalistic is taking shape. According to the article, hundreds of demographic and economic variables from census data were compared to examine what factors predict a high level of Trump support. The analysis shows Trump counties as places where white identity mixes with long-simmering economic dysfunctions.

The data reveals more specific correlations, using number one as the perfect match for Trump support. Here are a few of those correlations:

  • White with no high school diploma equals correlation 0.61
  • Percent reporting ancestry as “American” equals correlation 0.57
  • Percent living in a mobile home equals correlation 0.54
  • “Old economy” jobs including agriculture, construction, manufacturing equals correlation 0.5

While Trump also has support among the affluent and the well-educated, the data shows that support for him runs the strongest among the proportion of the white population that didn’t finish high school, working-age adults who neither have a job nor are looking for one, and people living in mobile homes. The article concludes:

“’It’s a nonurban, blue-collar and now apparently quite angry population,’ said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution. ’They’re not people who have moved around a lot, and things have been changing away from them, but they live in areas that feel stagnant in a lot of ways.’”

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#116116: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:16:24 AM

Clinton voted for the War on Terror, yes, but that doesn't make her the devil incarnate. It's easy to judge with the benefit of hindsight, especially now that we know the whole "weapons of mass destruction" thing was BS from start to finish, but at the time it wasn't nearly as clear. She made a mistake, and I'm not saying we should ignore that, but she's also copped to it and admitted that it was a mistake and that it's something she regrets.

If you can't support a candidate because they screwed up once even though they admit the mistake and accept fault for it, then you're not looking for a candidate for office, you're looking for a figure of worship.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#116117: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:17:39 AM

Putin may flex his muscles, but Clinton is far too smart to let the nation be drawn into more proxy wars just so she can measure dicks against a tinpot dictator.

I'm not worried about proxy wars. I'm worried about pointless economic sanctions that do not damage him in the slightest, but happen to damage me personally. And then Putin's own "counter-sanctions" designed to do the same. Considering Clinton calls for further sanctions on Iran and her statements on Russia I linked from On The Issues.org, this particular dick-measuring contest she'll be happy to be a part of.

I don't know where you keep getting the proxy wars idea, but it's not from my mouth and I'm the only one concerned with this to begin with, apparently.

edited 16th Mar '16 11:20:18 AM by Luminosity

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#116118: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:18:46 AM

Florida Governor Rick Scott endorses Donald Trump.

Fox News cancels GOP debate after Trump backs out.

edited 16th Mar '16 11:19:38 AM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#116119: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:19:05 AM

@Sanders voters: Many of the ones I've talked to (and seen on tumblr) have actually been advocating voting for Hillary in the general, since she's still at least a Democrat. I don't think you'll get too many people who just go "wah, Sanders won't be president! Screw everything!"

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#116120: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:20:50 AM

Clinton helped negotiate the Iranian nuclear deal that resulted in the lifting of sanctions. There's no way she'd call for them to be reapplied after winning office in the absence of some kind of crazy malfeasance on their part. Or rather, if she did, that would be so idiotic that I would be hard pressed to believe it.

As for Russia, I'm afraid, Luminosity, that dealing with Putin is the job of Russians, not Americans. It is painfully defeatist, never mind absurd, to claim that we are responsible for your problems. Oh, and it's exactly what Putin wants you to do, so there's that.

edited 16th Mar '16 11:21:37 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#116121: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:20:50 AM

[up]

Clinton calls for new sanctions on Iran

Hours after the U.S. dropped sanctions on Iran as part of the nuclear deal, Democratic primary front-runner Hillary Clinton called for new sanctions on the nation for its ballistic missile program.

Clinton on Saturday praised President Obama for securing the safe return of four U.S. citizens and implementing the Iranian nuclear deal, but warned that all concerns about Iran are not assuaged.

“Iran is still violating UN Security Council resolutions with its ballistic missile program, which should be met with new sanctions designations and firm resolve,” she said.

Hillary Clinton's Link to a Nasty Piece of Work in Honduras

The violence in Honduras can be traced to a history of U.S. economic and political meddling, including Clinton's support of the coup, according to American University professor Adrienne Pine, author of Working Hard, Drinking Hard: On Violence and Survival in Honduras.

Pine, who has worked for many years in Honduras, told Dennis Bernstein of KPFA radio in 2014 that the military forces that carried out the coup were trained at the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (formerly called the U.S. Army School of the Americas) in Fort Benning, Ga. Although the coup was supported by the United States, it was opposed by the United Nations and the Organization of American States (OAS). The U.N. and the OAS labeled President Manuel Zelaya's ouster a military coup.

"Hillary Clinton was probably the most important actor in supporting the coup [against the democratically elected Zelaya] in Honduras," Pine noted. It took the United States two months to even admit that Honduras had suffered a coup, and it never did admit it was a military coup. That is, most likely, because the Foreign Assistance Act prohibits the U.S. from aiding a country "whose duly elected head of government is deposed by military coup or decree."

Although the U.S. government eventually cut nonhumanitarian aid to Honduras, the State Department under Clinton took pains to clarify that this was not an admission that a military coup had occurred.

"Hillary Clinton played a huge role in propping up the coup administration," Pine said. "The State Department ensured the coup administration would remain in place through negotiations that they imposed, against the OAS' wish, and through continuing to provide aid and continuing to recognize the coup administration."

"And so if it weren't for Hillary Clinton," Pine added, "basically there wouldn't be this refugee crisis from Honduras at the level that it is today. And Hondurans would be living a very different reality from the tragic one they are living right now."

 Before Her Murder, Berta Cáceres Singled Out Hillary Clinton for Criticism

Before her murder on March 3, Berta Cáceres, a Honduran indigenous rights and environmental activist, named Hillary Clinton, holding her responsible for legitimating the 2009 coup. “We warned that this would be very dangerous,” she said, referring to Clinton’s effort to impose elections that would consolidate the power of murderers.

In a video interview, given in Buenos Aires in 2014, Cáceres says it was Clinton who helped legitimate and institutionalize the coup.

Clinton, in her position as secretary of state, pressured (as her emails show) other countries to agree to sideline the demands of Cáceres and others that Zelaya be returned to power. Instead, Clinton pushed for the election of what she calls in Hard Choices a “unity government.” But Cáceres says: “We warned that this would be very dangerous.… The elections took place under intense militarism, and enormous fraud.”

The Clinton-brokered election did indeed install and legitimate a militarized regime based on repression. In the interview, Cáceres says that Clinton’s coup-government, under pressure from Washington, passed terrorist and intelligence laws that criminalized political protest.

edited 16th Mar '16 11:28:23 AM by SolipsistOwl

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#116122: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:24:04 AM

...I'm starting to feel as though this is that stupid Clinton Body Count thing.

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#116123: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:24:37 AM

Or rather, if she did, that would be so idiotic that I would be hard pressed to believe it.

What about now?

As for Russia, I'm afraid, Luminosity, that dealing with Putin is the job of Russians, not Americans. It is painfully defeatist, never mind absurd, to claim that we are responsible for your problems. Oh, and it's exactly what Putin wants you to do, so there's that.

You keep not understanding me at all and it's frankly tiring. I do not want her to try dealing with Putin for precisely this reason. This is exactly why I favor Sanders dove strategy. Am I being clear now?

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#116124: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:25:05 AM

And Solipist is now accusing Hillary of murder. Nice. Borrowing tactics from the Republicans of 1990s, to attack a Democratic candidate who isn't Our Lord & Saviour, Bernie Sanders.

This is what I meant when I said that while I have nothing against Sanders, I don't like the attitudes in too much of his voter base.

@smokeycut

I should hope so. Again, my interest was less with his voters and more with the parts of the Internet media that have been so firmly behind him.

For months now I've been watching various leftist groups who I normally like (and some like TYT who I have always loathed) throw themselves behind Sanders, and ignore any and all evidence that he didn't really have a chance. The number of "This is how he can still win" vids that get recommended to me on You Tube alone are pretty serious. Now that those hopes are effectively dashed I'll be curious to see how those groups react.

edited 16th Mar '16 11:27:28 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#116125: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:28:53 AM

Did you not read the article I linked? Or the quote? I did not accuse anyone of murder.


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