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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#115601: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:20:52 PM

So if Trump gets elected and then assassinated, do us American Troupers still have to feel sad about it? I mean the previous ones were national traumas and everyone was sad about it, but feeling that for Trump? This of course only applies to Americans, foreigners are free to celebrate to their hearts continent.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#115602: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:22:55 PM

[up] Only rednecks, Neo-Nazis and Southerners. Hell, Dr. Insano would be a better president than Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fhGS0tAcQg

edited 13th Mar '16 3:27:41 PM by Bat178

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#115603: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:32:32 PM

Taking a cue from "Hate the war, not the warrior," I would say, "Respect the office, if not the office-holder."

So, while it would be a shame if the POTUS got assassinated, I would not mourn Donald Trump's death for an instant. And while flying the flag at half-staff, I would offer up a silent thank-you to whoever was responsible.

Only thing is, who would step into his shoes afterwards, Chris Christie? Ted Cruz? Not much of an improvement, if you ask me...

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#115604: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:34:20 PM

Depends on the circumstances.

Oh really when?
Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#115605: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:38:02 PM

[up][up][up][up]I'd mourn for the sanctity of the office of president and the state of American democracy. I'd be anxious that his reactionary base would feel freshly victimized. I'd wistfully peel through the history of the Roman republic from the end of the second Punic war to the assassinations of the Gracchi and Caesar. But the man himself? Probably not a whole lot of mourning or jubilation on my part. He plays with rhetorical fire and uses aggressive language frequently, so it wouldn't surprise me much if someone determined and crazy enough ended the would-be tyrant's reign shortly after it began.

edited 13th Mar '16 3:48:28 PM by Artificius

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#115606: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:53:20 PM

I wouldn't be particularly overjoyed OR mournful if Trump were assassinated - mainly because I would be too busy being flat fucking terrified of the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and other horrible people committing all sorts of murder and mayhem in the name of their beloved martyr.

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#115607: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:01:54 PM

"She's not on the corporate side, she's not too rich to relate to you, she's totally on the left for realzies, and 2 + 2 = 5..."

If you're implying that Clinton supporters are brainwashed masses like the citizens of 1984 I really don't know what to tell you.

Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#115608: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:04:59 PM

[up]I thought that was a send-up of the Clinton campaign and corporate media shill for Clinton, not necessarily her base's reasons for voting for her. People can vote for a candidate out of principal and not be brainwashed despite the company of some unsavory and deceitful types, in my case the Berniebros who seem to detest Clinton for her ovaries and probably aren't all that progressive.

edited 13th Mar '16 4:10:38 PM by Artificius

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#115609: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:10:39 PM

I took the comment aimed more at commenters here who are frequently, if not defending her, at least saying she's being demonized to cartoonish levels, as going those people are delusional.

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#115610: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:11:28 PM

You mean like, for instance, me?

Forgive me if I take issue with that.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#115611: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:15:30 PM

It probably includes me too. I did find it a bit flame baity.

edited 13th Mar '16 4:16:41 PM by LSBK

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#115612: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:16:41 PM

@Jack: As an Argentine (that is, someone from a nation that has a story of serious political instability), you don't need to need to feel sad about an hypotetical president Trump being assassinated. You should be very afraid, because it's going to cause big riots, possibly turn his followers into a solid political movement (like Peronism in my country), and somewhat "justify" political assassinations (and generally increase violence by reactionaries).

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#115613: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:18:57 PM

Actually, I meant Clinton herself, the entirety of whose defense against such accusations is saying "I told them to cut it out once! As softly as possible!" and then taking all the donations and making all the speeches anyway.

She couldn't meaningfully oppose them before, she can't meaningfully oppose them now, and should she become president, that won't magically change.

edited 13th Mar '16 4:20:12 PM by Luminosity

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#115614: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:22:34 PM

Then what does that say about the people who, were she nominated, would support her?

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#115615: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:22:35 PM

So, the Clinton campaign can't pay back local police departments for services rendered months ago, but Clinton herself can pull a monthly salary from her Super PA Cs?

Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#115616: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:25:07 PM

[up][up]That we'd been presented with the lesser of two evils and were staring down the barrel of a loaded Trump.

edited 13th Mar '16 4:25:19 PM by Artificius

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#115617: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:25:19 PM

Then what does that say about the people who, were she nominated, would support her?

You tell me.

I don't understand them. I also don't understand how the continuous stereotyping of Bernie voters as "Berniebros" and "Would-be Trump voters" is allowed, yet anything resembling a rock in the other garden is a no-no.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#115618: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:25:21 PM

It seemed like that was less her and more how it's usually done, unless I have that wrong. Like, weren't Trump and Sanders noted as being exceptions for paying or just for paying up front. Still not good on her, though.

Edit: So it sounds more like a point for Sanders (and Trump) than a take away from Clinton. Or are those the same thing?

edited 13th Mar '16 4:29:42 PM by LSBK

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#115619: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:27:58 PM

[up][up] I have yet to hear about a single Clinton voter who would defect to Trump.

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#115620: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:31:27 PM

I have yet to hear about a single Clinton voter who would defect to Trump.

That's because Sanders campaign doesn't go around creating nasty stereotypes about the other camp, unlike some campaigns.

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#115621: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:36:02 PM

Of course not, because they're too busy throwing out the baby with the bathwater and making Clinton look like the Antichrist. Something, incidentally, which will only help whatever Reptilian is nominated for the Republicans.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#115622: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:37:26 PM

[up]To be fair, if you legitimately think Clinton is as bad as all the Republicans, as Luminosity does, that probably seems like a good tactic. The issue comes in with whether you think she's as bad as them.

edited 13th Mar '16 4:40:54 PM by LSBK

Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#115623: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:38:21 PM

Sanders casts a wider net, and it does tend to haul in some Trump-y floaters. Those who would vote for Trump in lieu of Sanders and in outrage of Clinton are probably solely motivated by economic populism: they're pissed about the pay-to-play model our system has adopted in the last three decades, and they absolutely don't trust her to hold the mega banks accountable, no matter what she says now. A vote for Trump might seem like a last resort, a torch for the corrupt house from that perspective.

edited 13th Mar '16 4:41:23 PM by Artificius

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#115624: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:39:36 PM

[up]x5 — Maybe not, but there was a letter to the editor in my local newspaper today from a Trump supporter, who says they'd vote for Clinton, if Trump doesn't get nominated.

Then again, this person also says, and I quote: "Trump is the only civilized candidate on the debate stage." End quote.

I don't know what drugs they're taking, but I'd say the dosage needs adjusting...

edited 13th Mar '16 4:40:11 PM by pwiegle

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Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#115625: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:44:12 PM

Of course not, because they're too busy throwing out the baby with the bathwater and making Clinton look like the Antichrist. Something, incidentally, which will only help whatever Reptilian is nominated for the Republicans.

She doesn't need to be "made look like" anything. Her weasely ways speak for themselves. Not helped by any and all critique of her constantly getting silenced with cries of "Trumpzilla! Trumpzilla!"

edited 13th Mar '16 4:44:24 PM by Luminosity


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