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Cid El Cid Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Hiding
El Cid
#115451: Mar 11th 2016 at 3:35:05 PM

My opinion is that we should send our military off to fight the Mexican drug cartels if Mexico will allow it. It's probably a more immediate threat to our nation than most Islamic regimes, after all.
I do believe the idea has been proposed an discussed but Mexico doesn't want the help. I think it's a mix of pride ("we don't need no gringo to help!"), mistrust ("the gringos want to take the other half of our territories!!!111uno!"), and fear ("they want to make a puppet out of us, like the rest of Latin America!").

It's sad, really. Our countries have been allies for over a hundred years, yet my country still acts like the US is the devil incarnate.

I mean, everyone knows that's Spain. [lol]

edited 11th Mar '16 3:36:47 PM by Cid

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#115452: Mar 11th 2016 at 3:53:38 PM

My father is Mexican, and he's observed that a lot of the people in Mexico tend to be very egotistical about their statuses.

Honestly, I'd rather they get a President like Cardenas who can get shit done.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#115453: Mar 11th 2016 at 4:06:42 PM

Well Mexico did have its own sort of caste system when it was still a Spanish colony.

But speaking of voting, apparently 17 year olds can vote in the Ohio primaries! This may give Bernie the edge he needs there.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#115454: Mar 11th 2016 at 4:10:00 PM

Oh, I heard something about that. How does that work exactly, isn't the voting age a national thing? Like, would any of these 17 year-olds actually be able to vote in November if they're still 17?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#115455: Mar 11th 2016 at 4:11:08 PM

No, these are folks who have their birthday sometime between these elections.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#115456: Mar 11th 2016 at 4:12:47 PM

Oh. Okay then, it makes sense now.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#115457: Mar 11th 2016 at 4:14:42 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Mexico itself tried to fight the cartels in open conflict, and the result was disaster. What Mexico needs is stronger institutions and law enforcement.

And Cid stated Mexico's problems much better than I could, probably because he's actually from Mexico.

edited 11th Mar '16 4:17:18 PM by JackOLantern1337

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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#115458: Mar 11th 2016 at 4:40:03 PM

If you will be 18 by the time of the November election and are otherwise qualified to vote, most states will allow for you to vote in your state's primary.

The issue is that Ohio's secretary of state tried to change the rule to prevent 17-year-olds from voting literally within the last week, forcing Sanders and independent groups to issue lawsuits.

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#115459: Mar 11th 2016 at 4:52:45 PM

Developing situation as dozens of protesters enter the venue for a Trump rally and supporters go crazy once he postpones:

Protesters celebrate as Trump rally is canceled due to 'security concerns'

A Donald Trump rally that was scheduled for Friday night in Chicago was indefinitely postponed over security concerns after hundreds gathered outside the UIC pavilion to protest the GOP front-runner's event.

A Trump rally earlier Friday in St. Louis, Mo., resulted in dozens of arrests amid reported scuffles between protesters and Trump supporters.

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#115460: Mar 11th 2016 at 5:11:29 PM

On Nancy and her political footprint, a number of Reagan staffers have dropped hints in interviews that she was the real power behind the throne - see this Colin Powell piece, for example. To be honest, it is well known that Ronnie was in a pretty bad way for an indeterminate amount of his term, so someone had to be, and whoever they were, they'd naturally take a fair chunk of responsibility for the dreadful stuff his administration got up to.

What's precedent ever done for us?
SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#115461: Mar 11th 2016 at 5:38:20 PM

One of my parents believes that it's a double standard that everyone is calling out the Trump supporter for sucker punching that guy, but nobody is saying anything about the poor, poor Klansmen that were stabbed. They also don't see the importance of black and Hispanic voters, as they believe that the white population has been left behind.

Please, I'm trying to get them to see why they are wrong. I'm tired of hearing this bullshit from them.

edited 11th Mar '16 5:39:06 PM by SciFiSlasher

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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#115462: Mar 11th 2016 at 6:04:50 PM

Eeeeeeh. That klansmen incident left me cold, they are assholes but they did not initiate the altercation(from the footage I've seen).

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#115463: Mar 11th 2016 at 6:10:29 PM

So Fox says one of Trump's rallies got shut down by liberal protesters. They have cameras on scene.

EDIT-

Nevermind, someone else already said it.

edited 11th Mar '16 6:11:07 PM by FFShinra

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#115464: Mar 11th 2016 at 6:12:56 PM

I was out on a date, what's going with Trump?

Oh really when?
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#115465: Mar 11th 2016 at 6:17:11 PM

I mean, the problem is that it technically is a double standard, but it's actually a good example of why double standards aren't necessarily bad. Simply put, while stabbing Klansmen is emphatically not acceptable, the KKK are, let's call a spade a spade here, really fucking evil. While we have to tolerate and protect them to some extent on principle of free speech, that doesn't mean they merit a whole lot of sympathy, either. This is of course, assuming the guy stabbed wasn't an undercover cop (which is another reason why you can't go stabbing people).

By contrast, the Anti-Trump people come in all shapes and sizes, and are generally less evil than the KKK by far.

edited 11th Mar '16 6:17:54 PM by Protagonist506

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TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#115466: Mar 11th 2016 at 6:18:26 PM

One of my parents believes that it's a double standard that everyone is calling out the Trump supporter for sucker punching that guy, but nobody is saying anything about the poor, poor Klansmen that were stabbed

In the incident I saw, the Klan didn't throw the first punch but they were the ones who brought out the knives while the other guys were unarmed. Link. Is this a different incident, or did they just screw up who was who?

edited 11th Mar '16 6:21:55 PM by TheWanderer

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#115467: Mar 11th 2016 at 6:19:02 PM

...The Klansmen (in Anaheim) were the ones who did the stabbing, BUT admittedly in self-defense when counter-protesters got physical.

What I don't like about comparisons between these kinds of incidents is that, rather than condemn bad behavior on both sides, they often used more by one side as an excuse to justify themselves and condemn the other. There's a thin line between "if we can't do it, why can they?" and "if they can do it, why can't we?" And it's in these kinds of discussions that calls for "equality" start to fall flat.

Additionally, to sincerely wonder why more people aren't sticking up for the Klan (double-standard as it may be), shows a concerning lack of awareness. There is a reason why they are Acceptable Targets (and it's not a "liberal media" conspiracy). But that still does NOT justify any action taken against them. And reconciling these two opposing positions is tricky.

Actually, the idea of Acceptable Targets is surprisingly key to much of this current political climate. Look at how such incidents are likely to fuel Trump supporters, who utterly resent being essentially Acceptable Targets, and want to finally turn the tables.

edited 11th Mar '16 6:41:57 PM by Eschaton

Shawnsummer7 Since: Jan, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#115468: Mar 11th 2016 at 6:35:31 PM

So I'm a bit late to this but it looks like Ben Carson dropped out and there are only six potential presidents left. Just curious, which of these would you guys prefer seeing?

President Clinton, President Sanders, President Trump, President Cruz, President Rubio, or President Kasich? Kind of hoping Clinton gets it because of her experience and not promising too many drastic changes to what's working right now (of course college affordability, gun control, immigration reform, and the Equality Act are welcome). I don't expect stuff to happen until 2020 anyway, best case scenario.

GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#115469: Mar 11th 2016 at 6:43:47 PM

Just because someone has an abhorrent opinion does not mean anyone is allowed to actually punch them in the face, no matter how much they may deserve a punch to the face.

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#115470: Mar 11th 2016 at 6:52:22 PM

I'm fine with Sanders or Clinton.

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#115471: Mar 11th 2016 at 6:52:52 PM

What a Trump rally actually looks like

Donald Trump spoke in St. Louis, Missouri, on Friday afternoon. And these days, where Donald Trump goes, violence follows.

People waited in line for hours to see him, and many of them never got the chance. The venue he was speaking at houses 4,000 people, but his campaign appears to have given away thousands more tickets than that.

...

There doesn't appear to be a video of this man's removal from the rally, and it's certainly possible he was not sucker punched as he claims to be. But it would not be the first time a Trump supporter punched a protester in the face. It would not even be the first time that happened this week.

This is not an isolated incident. It is what people are coming to expect from Trump rallies. And, as I wrote just this morning, it comes from the candidate himself.

Trump routinely urges his supporters to get "tough" with protesters; tells excited stories at rallies about protesters being beaten up; and tells supporters that if they're arrested for beating up a protester, he will support them in court.

And as I said:

This is not acceptable behavior in a democracy. It should be Trump's job to tell his supporters not to beat people up — to make sure they clear a way for police officers to escort out protesters, to refrain from joking about the "good old days."

But it's pretty clear, at this point, that Donald Trump cares more about not offending his followers than he does about protecting the safety of people his followers don't like.

Included in the link are all the videos and pictures of supporters and protesters screaming at each other and egging each other into fights, arrests, racists chants, bloodied people, etc.

President Clinton, President Sanders, President Trump, President Cruz, President Rubio, or President Kasich?

Sanders is my first choice, although over the course of the last few months I've soured a bit on him, because he tries to tie everything into the economy and seems to overlook other factor that shape issues. (You can do all the free education, job training and whatever you want Bernie, it doesn't magically make issues like racism and sectarianism go away. It doesn't stop people from deciding not to even ask someone with a funny sounds "black" name in for an interview, it doesn't make cops stop seeing black males as inherently more violent and dangerous, resulting in far more unarmed black people getting shot by police than any other ethnic group, it doesn't stop mosques from being attacked and defaced, it doesn't stop employers from finding BS reasons to pay women 20-25% less than men, it doesn't bring back the jobs that have been lost forever due to automation or changing technology and cultural tides, etc.)

Clinton is an acceptable backup for me when she likely wins the primary, although not nearly as enthusiastically because I do believe we're well overdue for changing the economic direction of the country at least along the lines of how Sanders would like to change it.

edited 11th Mar '16 7:03:04 PM by TheWanderer

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#115472: Mar 11th 2016 at 6:56:23 PM

@Shawnsummer 7: I'm a Sanders man, but I'd be fine with a Clinton Presidency. Rubio is, in my opinion, the least-bad Republican of the crop (assuming he's not a Terminator that was sent back in time to bring about Judgment Day), I've watched Kasich gut my state's educational system, and the inauguration of Cruz or Trump would be the moment I eulogize the US.

Also, not sure if anyone else has posted this, but Carson has claimed to have received a sign from his god to back Trump, even though Trump has repeatedly insulted Carson and his voters (not to mention the whole thing about the Ku Klux Klan endorsing Trump).

edited 11th Mar '16 6:57:00 PM by TrashJack

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#115473: Mar 11th 2016 at 7:11:02 PM

The thing about Carson is that he claims to be a Christian, and knowledgeable about the Bible, but most of his statements concerning that are off enough that it's really obvious he has no idea what he's talking about.

There's the pyramid thing, and I think the "fruit salad" line was trying to do that too. A Christian thing to say is seeing the "fruits of someone's life", which does actually tie into something Jesus said, I think, but Carson screwed up in such a way as to completely remove the context from the saying, thus confusing everyone regardless of their knowledge or beliefs. Then again, this is the same guy who had to deal with a controversy concerning the possibility that he hadn't killed a guy in his youth. I think Carson might be from Bizarro World.

Trump just seems to be a narcissistic pathological liar.

edited 11th Mar '16 7:14:11 PM by Zendervai

Shawnsummer7 Since: Jan, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#115474: Mar 11th 2016 at 7:11:35 PM

Just heard of what happened in Chicago during a Trump rally by the way. Thoughts?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#115475: Mar 11th 2016 at 7:13:54 PM

I'd say many things about it but I doubt Fighteer would approve.

I am not displeased with the situation. To say the least.

Oh really when?

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