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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#115426: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:29:07 PM

[up][up]Clinton didn't apologize—she "misspoke."

While the Reagans were strong advocates for stem cell research and finding a cure for Alzheimer's disease, I misspoke about their record on HIV and AIDS. For that, I'm sorry.

edited 11th Mar '16 2:30:45 PM by SolipsistOwl

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#115427: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:30:11 PM

Everything is politics. Even funerals. And there's no way that wasn't slipped in by some staffer or consultant trying to be clever and score points.

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#115428: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:30:16 PM

Yes, but you can understand how she might have mis-spoken it-it's not like she's backtracking from "all Mexicans are rapists".

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#115429: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:31:32 PM

(cough) super-predators (cough)

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#115430: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:31:42 PM

Misspeaking can happen, even to a politician. I also get the wrong adjectives and words occasionally in my speech from confused thought processes.

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#115431: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:33:00 PM

[up] Some turn that into an Art Form.

Keep Rolling On
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#115432: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:34:30 PM

...bleh, I really shouldn't be trying to defend Clinton. If she were a Republican, I'd probably be howling for her head on a platter. I'm just wary of demonizing her when oblivion lies on the other side.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#115433: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:37:56 PM

She literally said "I'm sorry".

"While the Reagans were strong advocates for stem cell research and finding a cure for Alzheimer's disease, I misspoke about their record on HIV and AIDS," Clinton said in a statement. "For that, I'm sorry."

As seen here

What more do you want?

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#115434: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:38:27 PM

it's not like she's backtracking from "all Mexicans are rapists".
It's not, the main problem is it reminds people she's gaffe prone, and suffers from being in the Elite Bubble, and we're reminded she's a triangulating politician combined with being Marie Antoinette (and yes, I'm aware, "Let them eat cake" is from Jean-Jacques Rousseau's Confessions)

What more do you want?
Her to stop talking at this point. She's going to lose the election on Gaffing herself to death.

edited 11th Mar '16 2:39:38 PM by PotatoesRock

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#115435: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:39:48 PM

So was Biden, yet people were tearing off their shirts when he did not make a presidential run.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#115436: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:40:05 PM

Keep in mind that Marie Antoinette may or may not have been the subject of a massive smear campaign.

Much like, oh, I dunno...

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#115437: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:41:11 PM

You can call someone out on their mistakes while still supporting them. At the same time, you can admit that someone has a legitimate point while still opposing them. Admitting that Clinton screwed up doesn't mean you have to stop supporting her. Lord knows that no one's perfect, politicians included, and their screwups don't always happen behind closed doors.

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#115438: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:41:55 PM

But if you believe the litany of links every page, she has done every single bad thing that could be done by anyone, ever.

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#115439: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:41:55 PM

I agree with potatoes, except i don't see it as "upper class twit," instead i think it's the pure 3rd Way Democrat that's still in her, since the Democratic Leadership Committee was more or less founded as a reaction to the Reagan Revolution, it makes sense that she would have an instinct almost to be respectful towards the Reagans whether they deserve it or not. Similar to her pro-Kissinger comments earlier (as the guy is still very highly regarded by foreign policy Very Serious People).

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#115440: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:44:12 PM

[up][up]Looking in this thread, there only seem to be like two people who really go out of their way to go on about how horrible she is. I assume it's worse elsewhere but looking at comment sections is an easy way to give yourself and ulcer so I generally avoid doing so.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#115441: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:47:39 PM

So was Biden, yet people were tearing off their shirts when he did not make a presidential run.
He had the "Funny Uncle Biden" persona to fall on for those. Hillary's pretty much admitted she sucks at public speaking.

I agree with potatoes, except i don't see it as "upper class twit," instead i think it's the pure 3rd Way Democrat that's still in her, since the Democratic Leadership Committee was more or less founded as a reaction to the Reagan Revolution, it makes sense that she would have an instinct almost to be respectful towards the Reagans whether they deserve it or not. Similar to her pro-Kissinger comments earlier (as the guy is still very highly regarded by foreign policy Very Serious People).
The 3rd Way / New Democrats are basically the power elite of the Democrats. Its Country Club Elite, so to speak. They live in a very secluded bubble of power and eliteness that has been going on since the 90s at least, and Hillary's been stuck in the bubble for the last 25 years. The current DNC/3rd Way Party Elite are the Upper Class of the Democrats, and they live in a bubble.

I'm calling her an Upper Class Twit because she's in the Party's Upper Class/Elite, and she's a lousy public speaker. She lives and talks with her proverbial country club friends, and rolls in those opinions.

And I will be voting for her in the General, because she's a wall or Maginot Line against the Republican's current insanity.

But that doesn't mean I can't cast stones at the fact I think she's a gigantic tool and the DNC and their allies in the Beltway and Beltway Media are ramrodding her to victory, in an extremely lousy manner.

edited 11th Mar '16 2:50:46 PM by PotatoesRock

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#115442: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:49:20 PM

Maybe if the US was better neighbors with Mexico (And Central America), Mexico wouldn't be the hellhole it currently is.

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#115443: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:52:00 PM

The legalization of drugs in the U.S would probably do more to hurt the mexican drug cartels than a good economy on all its neighrbors ever would.

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#115444: Mar 11th 2016 at 2:57:47 PM

Legalization of Drugs and removing Guns in the US from their mass circulation, arguably.

Take away their revenue streams and remove their ability to retain guerilla esque power. They'd still end up with guns probably, but nowhere as many, which would hurt their flow of weapons. Then again, they might get guns from someone else.

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#115445: Mar 11th 2016 at 3:00:56 PM

Using a funeral as a political ploy is downright vile, it is a pretty serious accusation since you're just literally demonizing a person as incapable of empathy: That she gave so little fucks about the family members grieving that she only got dollar signs in her eyes out of their tears.

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#115446: Mar 11th 2016 at 3:03:30 PM

yeah the guns wont be a problem. You can get guns from anywhere as the several terrorist insurgency groups all over the world have proven

but remove from them the means of capitalizing on their product...and there will not be a reason to use those guns for

And legalizing drugs isnt removing them their capital source. It is doing something worse. Something much, much worse. It is going to give them the competition of the U.S industry. No cartel can deal with that.

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#115447: Mar 11th 2016 at 3:08:25 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Define better. Without US demand and the subsequent crackdown the Drug war would not have happened. However, the fundamental problems of week institutions and poverty would have existed with or without the US. And while without the US Mexico could have still held California and Texas, though seeing as Britain and Russia were both viewed as eying the territories at the time this is a very big iff, but they would not have developed them to the extent they are today, for one thing they found it so difficult to convince a great number of their own citizens to settle the region that they had to recruit Americans, which of course did not turn out very well for Mexico.

[up] Have you seen our cars? Competing with US industry should be no problem for anybody.

edited 11th Mar '16 3:08:59 PM by JackOLantern1337

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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#115448: Mar 11th 2016 at 3:10:08 PM

You are doing this really weird thing of mixing the modern drug cartel wars and the acquisition of new mexico all in onelike a gigantic katamari, large enough to transcend time and space

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#115449: Mar 11th 2016 at 3:17:35 PM

The problem with Mexico is that it was a country too rich for its own good. Thanks to its vast natural wealth, New Spain rulers and its elite (what Mexico was called during the colonial era) didn't really have to work.

Not to mention that the New Spain ruled/managed the Spanish territories from the south western coast of Canada to parts of what it is today Colombia, giving a lot of power to its viceroy and the nobles EVEN if they had to answer to the Spanish crown (fun fact: the viceroy managed Filipinas because the Spanish monarchy couldn't be bothered to do it themselves).

After Mexico lost a lot of territory, wealth and power during the 19th century, the ruling class didn't change with the times and still run things as if they were as rich and powerful. This gave rise to a lot, and I mean A LOT, of corruption, which is THE main problem of Mexico.

Unfortunately, as it almost always happens, the mindset from the elites has found its way unto every corner of Mexican society, meaning that even at the lowest classes you're likely to find corruption.

I fear that short of having a ground-breaking revolution (something like the French, maybe?) or the destruction of Mexican society as it is (like Germany or Japan after 1945), I don't think things will change too much.

So no, just having better neighbours wouldn't be enough. Unless said neighbours want to invade, occupy and nation-build Mexico and everything south of border.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#115450: Mar 11th 2016 at 3:26:31 PM

My opinion is that we should send our military off to fight the Mexican drug cartels if Mexico will allow it. It's probably a more immediate threat to our nation than most Islamic regimes, after all.

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