TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

The General US Politics Thread

Go To

Nov 2023 Mod notice:


There may be other, more specific, threads about some aspects of US politics, but this one tends to act as a hub for all sorts of related news and information, so it's usually one of the busiest OTC threads.

If you're new to OTC, it's worth reading the Introduction to On-Topic Conversations and the On-Topic Conversations debate guidelines before posting here.

Rumor-based, fear-mongering and/or inflammatory statements that damage the quality of the thread will be thumped. Off-topic posts will also be thumped. Repeat offenders may be suspended.

If time spent moderating this thread remains a distraction from moderation of the wiki itself, the thread will need to be locked. We want to avoid that, so please follow the forum rules when posting here.


In line with the general forum rules, 'gravedancing' is prohibited here. If you're celebrating someone's death or hoping that they die, your post will get thumped. This rule applies regardless of what the person you're discussing has said or done.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#115026: Mar 9th 2016 at 2:27:25 AM

Assuming of course, the international markets don't shit the bed and collapse the economy.

Everything assumes:

  • China doesn't go into free fall.
  • Britain doesn't go "Fuck this I'm outta here" to the EU
  • The Eurozone doesn't shit the bed.

Or something similar.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#115029: Mar 9th 2016 at 3:18:45 AM

Expecting riots when they shut Trump out of the race maybe?

That'd be interesting.

Oh really when?
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#115030: Mar 9th 2016 at 3:43:17 AM

Anyone remember Dinesh D'Souza? He's making a terrible docudrama about the Hilldebeast.

One sepoy guaranteed never to revolt.

edited 9th Mar '16 3:44:29 AM by Achaemenid

Schild und Schwert der Partei
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#115031: Mar 9th 2016 at 3:48:26 AM

A Slate commenter, "Scowler", had an insight I wanted to repeat over here:

Conservative reliance on the SC so many decades has made them reactionary, and less likely to pursue needed reforms via the legislative branch. A very, very nice silver lining here, if that can be mended.

I hadn't thought that the Supreme Court had been one of the engines driving the Republican rush to the right, but in retrospect the idea makes a lot of sense. Since Bush's election, Republicans haven't had to pretend that they cared about anyone's opinion but their own.

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#115032: Mar 9th 2016 at 4:07:22 AM

[up][up]Well now I just Bernie to win even more, so that guy can look like even more of a moron. evil grin

edited 9th Mar '16 4:22:53 AM by Eschaton

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#115033: Mar 9th 2016 at 4:17:33 AM

And Trump wins Hawaii.

CURRENT GOP DELEGATE ACCOUNT

Trump - 458 (+71)

Cruz - 359 (+56)

Rubio - 151 (+0)

Kasich - 54 (+17)

So far Rubio has been awarded zero delegates.

edited 9th Mar '16 4:19:24 AM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
Know-age Since: May, 2010
#115035: Mar 9th 2016 at 5:52:04 AM

both of the republicans there voted for him

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#115036: Mar 9th 2016 at 6:08:09 AM

It's a primary, not the general election.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#115037: Mar 9th 2016 at 6:13:42 AM

I wonder if Bernie could run independent if he doesn't win the primary.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#115038: Mar 9th 2016 at 6:22:55 AM

He wouldn't want to. It would guarantee President Trump or Cruz.

His status as an independent also makes it hard for him to become a thought leader within the party. All he's good for is an activist rallying flag and Senate gadfly for progressive causes.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#115039: Mar 9th 2016 at 6:24:48 AM

Yeah, there's no way Sanders would willfully sabotage the Democratic Party by running independently. He'd much rather see Clinton in the White House than Trump or Cruz.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#115040: Mar 9th 2016 at 6:51:38 AM

As I noted before, running for Senate majority leader is much better.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#115041: Mar 9th 2016 at 6:53:49 AM

Hah. High Priest Cruz. I like that.

As for Sanders...nice upset, but as Ach said it still seems like he will need a couple more wins that seem to not favor him to cement his presence. Sucks for Hillary (I am sure she will be fine tho) but nice to hear Sanders is being given more attention

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#115042: Mar 9th 2016 at 6:58:43 AM

I'll vote for him if it ends up being between him and Truz, but otherwise I can't feel the Bern.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#115043: Mar 9th 2016 at 7:19:31 AM

Clinton picked up more delegates yesterday, even considering Sanders' upset win in Michigan.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Montegoraon Since: Jan, 2011
#115044: Mar 9th 2016 at 8:14:51 AM

It's not impossible that Sanders would run as an Independent. If Trump gets shut out at the RNC and runs Independent, Sanders might do the same if the Democratic nomination is decided by superdelegates (which I'm told would be outrageous).

There's also the ongoing FBI investigation into Clinton's emails. I don't mean the nonsense stuff. I mean the possibility they can prove that she did favors for big donors to the Clinton Foundation during her time at the State Department. Considering they gave immunity to the guy who set up her email server, some say this may actually be going somewhere. I mean, it seems insane that they'd actually indict her. They never go after powerful people. But what if they did?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#115045: Mar 9th 2016 at 8:16:41 AM

By the way, is that stuff with Bill Clinton still going on?

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#115046: Mar 9th 2016 at 8:18:58 AM

Again, Sanders would never go independent against Clinton. He would not hand the country to the Republicans like that. Differences aside, both are working towards the same basic goals.

For the FBI to indict a presidential nominee would be unprecedented in my recollection. I think that if that were to happen, Clinton would have to drop out to defend herself, but she might not, and if she were elected President, she would become immune from prosecution unless she were impeached first. She might well be the first President to ever take office under imminent threat of criminal prosecution, though, and there's a legitimate concern that it could poison her candidacy.

If she were to drop out, allowing Sanders to become the nominee by default, that would be... interesting, to say the least.

edited 9th Mar '16 8:22:01 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#115047: Mar 9th 2016 at 8:22:29 AM

What would the FBI sue Clinton for? So far we haven't really seen anything there.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#115048: Mar 9th 2016 at 8:26:58 AM

The issue at hand seems to be whether she ever knowingly stored classified documents on her private email server. Some of the emails that were reviewed seemed to have indeed been classified Top Secret at the time they were sent, and the argument is that she should have known this at the time.

There's also the thing with the Clinton Foundation, but I was not aware that there was an actual criminal investigation going on about it. It seems to be mainly chasing rabbits for the sake of having more rabbits to chase. If the Foundation did political favors for its big donors, then it merely joins the club of every other such foundation ever. The sin is not in doing it, but in getting caught doing it. And we wonder why people are cynical about politics.

edited 9th Mar '16 8:29:19 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#115049: Mar 9th 2016 at 8:28:14 AM

We don't know either way as yet. Neither does the FBI. If there is something though, it'd be an inauspicious start to say the least...

EDIT- [nja]

edited 9th Mar '16 8:28:37 AM by FFShinra

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#115050: Mar 9th 2016 at 8:34:33 AM

There is speculation that Hillary Clinton while Secretary of State was using the Clinton Foundation as a slush-fund to take bribes from corporations and foreign nations.

In case anyone wants to know why the Foundation is allegedly being investigated.


Total posts: 417,856
Top