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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#115002: Mar 8th 2016 at 8:32:27 PM

Still close but it looks like Sanders is going to stage an upset in Michigan. Still 90%+ of the votes are in and CNN still hasn't called it. Quite a nailbitter.

edited 8th Mar '16 8:32:55 PM by Rationalinsanity

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#115003: Mar 8th 2016 at 8:32:41 PM

Indeed. Many of the young voters don't know the Clinton presidency very well (I certainly didn't when I was their age, I think he was actually president when I was born) and the older generation do.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#115004: Mar 8th 2016 at 8:33:50 PM

The Clinton era was good to minorities. Crime Bill was savage but it did gut the gangs, and the 90s economy did see real upswing in actual earnings.

So it's no wonder the older voters who remember that period fondly are backing her.

Sanders appeals to a sizable number of young voters who feel they got a raw deal after the 2008 crash.

Associated Press calls it for Sanders in Michigan

edited 8th Mar '16 8:37:09 PM by PotatoesRock

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#115005: Mar 8th 2016 at 8:38:25 PM

Looks like Cruz has taken Idaho.

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#115006: Mar 8th 2016 at 8:40:22 PM

Sanders: "I'm not done yet!"

edited 8th Mar '16 8:40:41 PM by Ramidel

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#115007: Mar 8th 2016 at 8:43:52 PM

Everyone is calling it for Sanders

He trailed in polls by more than 20 points.

Man, he may actually win the nomination with an upset like this.

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#115008: Mar 8th 2016 at 8:44:48 PM

Basically it's not so much Sanders has trouble with minority voters to a degree, it's that the OLDER minority voters trust Clinton more.

Older and/or rural. Blacks who live mainly in rural areas have very different concerns from their urban counterparts.

It's good to see Bernie possibly wining Michigan, it gladdens the heart, but with it split so close and all (or virtually all) Democratic primaries splitting delegates proportionately rather than a winner take all system, a near 50/50 split in Michigan and a blowout for Clinton in Miss., may still see Sanders either slipping further behind or just barely treading water in the delegate count. But it gives me hope for the big hurdles coming up for next week, including that the facts that it looks like the traditional polling systems have gone completely to shit, which means in many of the tough states to come Sanders may be closer than anyone anticipates. *Crosses fingers for next Tuesday*

edited 8th Mar '16 8:48:33 PM by TheWanderer

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#115009: Mar 8th 2016 at 8:46:32 PM

That's only if he can replicate these results elsewhere in other states, and more so, in Minority States.

Which still seems unlikely.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#115010: Mar 8th 2016 at 8:53:05 PM

I wonder if it'll affect things if Clinton wins solely by superdelegate dominance. That's the "most successful" that I think Sanders can hope for at this point.

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#115011: Mar 8th 2016 at 9:01:33 PM

Looks like tonight was a big win for Der Drumpfenfuhrer.

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#115013: Mar 8th 2016 at 9:44:29 PM

It's good to see Bernie possibly wining Michigan, it gladdens the heart, but with it split so close and all (or virtually all) Democratic primaries splitting delegates proportionately rather than a winner take all system, a near 50/50 split in Michigan and a blowout for Clinton in Miss., may still see Sanders either slipping further behind or just barely treading water in the delegate count.

I hate being right: according to a new total I just saw, Clinton picked up 93 delegates tonight to 73 for Sanders, meaning Bernie falls a little further behind in a race where he's already got a big deficit to overcome. Winning battles here and there but losing the war.

Still, a few more upsets like this and maybe he can keep it competitive, get extra fundraising, (he apparently outspent Clinton in Michigan by around a million dollars) and get more people looking to vote for him in the states to come.

[up] Not surprising, but this is a case where I'm inclined to agree with the assessment, according to what I've seen and read.

edited 8th Mar '16 9:48:07 PM by TheWanderer

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#115014: Mar 8th 2016 at 9:51:27 PM

They were already hoping to make a fight of it anyway to try and be seen as martyrs. Instead everything they did just made them seem like a bunch of asshole rednecks. Not only did they massively inconvenience the town, they also left a huge mess for the police to clean up, not to mention apparently damaging tribal grounds.

Montegoraon Since: Jan, 2011
#115015: Mar 8th 2016 at 10:00:01 PM

How many more states with really big black democratic populations are there? It's just North Carolina and Kentucky at this point, right?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#115016: Mar 8th 2016 at 10:31:25 PM

Ohio if memory serves has an black minority strong enough to matter in a Democratic primary. Perhaps not as strong as say Louisiana and Missisippi, but they still matter.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#115017: Mar 8th 2016 at 10:34:03 PM

Doesn't California have a significant population? Nothing compared to Hispanics to be sure, but I coulda sworn...

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#115018: Mar 8th 2016 at 10:40:59 PM

California is one of the last states to have a primary, hence I don't think people pay as much attention to there.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#115019: Mar 8th 2016 at 10:41:24 PM

CA has 7%. Not a huge percentage, although cluster in various places. My high school was 33% black when i attended.

edited 8th Mar '16 10:44:50 PM by Clarste

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#115020: Mar 8th 2016 at 11:45:01 PM

Gotta wonder how High Priest Cruz is gonna handle this tomorrow morning.

...Please Villainous Breakdown please Villainous Breakdown...

edited 8th Mar '16 11:45:24 PM by NickTheSwing

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#115021: Mar 9th 2016 at 12:20:11 AM

As a Californian I get the sense that Bernie would win my state.

Unfortunately he has to survive long enough to get to it

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#115022: Mar 9th 2016 at 12:25:32 AM

As a fellow Californian I am feeling the Bern!

Hopefully we get some good results in soon.

Despite the everything about him, I am enjoying seeing Trump's victories because it means every night Ted Cruz goes to bed realizing more and more he is not, in fact, The Chosen One.

And one day he'll have a screaming rant about this result.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#115023: Mar 9th 2016 at 12:36:05 AM

The Sanders upset in Michigan is genuinely huge, though. It keeps him in the race and confounds the narrative that he's bound to lose due to polling. That'll combat voter apathy and cynicism. On the other hand, Hillary increased her pledged delegate lead tonight, to say nothing of her superdelegate advantage.

Proof of the pudding will be in Ohio and Illinois. See if he can keep a 'Sanders surge' going.

edited 9th Mar '16 12:38:08 AM by Achaemenid

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#115024: Mar 9th 2016 at 1:35:23 AM

Wish that he'd start a campaign for Senate majority leader when/if Sanders loses the presidential primary. The Democrats need that extra enthusiasm for the Senate election and their probable future leader there strikes me as even more Wall Street stooge than Hillary.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#115025: Mar 9th 2016 at 1:45:24 AM

The Sanders/Clinton duel sounds excellent for the Dems. One of Hillary's main issues was that the primaries were supposed to be a cakewalk, which means that it would be inaudible and boring compared to the much more disputed Republican one, and that it could be a crippling weakness when faced against whoever wins on the other side (because it wouldn't encourage voters to come on election day). But Sanders avoided that, while on the contrary the Republican primary is disputed in the wrong sense of the term - instead of leading to a strong leader that unites the party, it will select someone who will divide it (whether it is Cruz or Trump).

That sounds like good omens for the Democrats.


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