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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#114926: Mar 8th 2016 at 9:40:27 AM

Thing about Drumpf. Is that he's got words, you know. Big words, nice words. Real fancy words. He puts these words for sale and investors eat them up these words they're pretty nice words. Maybe the best words. Actually scratch that, they are the best words. Hear it all the time, real easy people all the time come to Drumpf and tell him "You got the best words" and The Drumpf will use it to tell you he's got the best words so he's going to take these words, and make america great again.

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Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#114927: Mar 8th 2016 at 9:41:23 AM

Unless he expects to use the Your Approval Fills Me with Shame gambit?

Standing here, I realise... sorry, sorry, got another Metal Gear Rising song in my head.

If I understand his strategy by his moves against Romney, he's gonna claim Clinton had to "beg for his support", "yet lost anyway in 08". He loves to repeat himself and he loves to portray himself as the only winner, so I suspect that angle shall be used.

"All we do is win, all you do is lose" is basically his slogan at this point.

Strangely no one tried to turn it against him yet. He's got numerous failed campaigns under his belt, yet he acts like having one failed campaign condemns you forever. Nobody brought it up against him, for some reason.

edited 8th Mar '16 9:52:52 AM by Luminosity

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#114928: Mar 8th 2016 at 9:41:25 AM

Owning up to smears to deflect them works for Trump. But yeah Sanders unwillingness to throw insults is what would hurt Trump, he can't deflect away from criticism by insulting Trump the way he can by insulting Rubio or Cruz.

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#114929: Mar 8th 2016 at 10:44:00 AM

but then also she's spouted some stupid beliefs apparently. I do not remember all of them, but I do remember some people in the LGBT thread talking about one stupid thing she said when it was in the news.

Stuff about how transwomen who can't pass perfectly shouldn't be allowed to transition because it might make people uncomfortable or something.

Because apparently we're supposed to let opinions stand in our way.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#114930: Mar 8th 2016 at 10:49:02 AM

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Celebrities will dominate discussions for a short while before the public attention span moves on or something else happens in the celebrity world.

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#114931: Mar 8th 2016 at 10:50:23 AM

I dunno. I guess I just take it personally because it's a category I feel like I fall into.

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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#114932: Mar 8th 2016 at 10:56:47 AM

40% of Jewish Israeli voters would prefer Clinton as US president, 16% Sanders:

http://www.peaceindex.org/indexMonthEng.aspx?num=302

The majority of Israelis (Arabs and Jews) think Trump is friendly to Israel:

http://www.peaceindex.org/files/Peace_Index_Data_February_2016-Eng.pdf

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#114933: Mar 8th 2016 at 10:57:55 AM

Yeah, that's perfectly understandable. But think of it this way, if more people ignore the celebrity instead of (rightly) criticizing them, they'll go out of public consciousness faster.

That's not to say things like that should go uncontested, but the locus point is better forgotten.

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#114934: Mar 8th 2016 at 11:30:49 AM

Romney's so eager to stop Trump he's recording anyone-but-Trump calls for Rubio and Kasich.

Mitt Romney recorded robocalls for both Sen. Marco Rubio and Gov. John Kasich's presidential campaigns in states that are voting on Tuesday, CNN has confirmed. It's part of an escalating effort by Romney to block Donald Trump from securing the Republican presidential nomination.

The calls recorded on behalf of Rubio, which were first reported by The New York Times on Monday night, are going out in all four states voting Tuesday. On Tuesday, Kasich's campaign spokesman Chris Schrimpf told CNN the former Massachusetts governor also recorded calls in Michigan on behalf of the Ohio governor.

Romney's message may prove more effective in the crop of states voting Tuesday — most notably Michigan and Idaho — than it might be to the broader GOP electorate. Romney's dad, George Romney, was the former Michigan governor, and many voters in the Mitten State still hold on to some affection for the Romney family. Meanwhile, Idaho has a sizable Mormon population, which helped Romney — who is Mormon — trounce rival Rick Santorum there in 2012.

The robocalls follow Romney's withering denunciation of Trump in a speech at the Hinckley Institute Thursday, where he called Trump a "phony" and a "fraud," and vowed to work to prevent Trump from becoming the Republican standard bearer. The calls do not represent an outright endorsement for either candidate, and a spokesperson for Romney said the 2012 GOP nominee would be willing to help Sen. Ted Cruz as well.

"Gov. Romney has offered and is glad to help Sen. Marco Rubio, Sen. Ted Cruz, and Gov. John Kasich in any way he can," the spokesperson told CNN. "He's been clear that he believes that Donald Trump is not the best person to represent the Republican Party and will do what he can to support a strong nominee who holds conservative values to win back the White House."

The spokesperson also confirmed the substance of the message, in which Romney tells voters to back "a candidate who can defeat Hillary Clinton and who can make us proud." "If we Republicans choose Donald Trump as our nominee, I believe that the prospects for a safe and prosperous future would be greatly diminished," Romney says in the calls, which use a near identical script for Kasich and Rubio. "And I'm convinced Donald Trump would lose to Hillary Clinton."

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#114935: Mar 8th 2016 at 11:45:27 AM

Does anybody even goddamn listen to robocalls

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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#114936: Mar 8th 2016 at 11:54:09 AM

In retrospect I probably shouldn't have said any of that.

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#114938: Mar 8th 2016 at 12:51:15 PM

It's not so much that all of the GOP is tainted by association with Bush, but that too few of them are willing to walk away from the obsessions of foreign adventurism. War with ISIS, war with Iran. They pointedly refuse to learn the lesson of the W. Bush administration, which, hell, was the lesson from Vietnam: Americans don't like nationbuilding and guerilla wars.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#114939: Mar 8th 2016 at 12:53:20 PM

They may not like it, but if they want to be taken seriously as a great power (nevermind superpower), they have to learn it, which means doing it properly. Easier said than done, but isolationism/absolute non-interventionism is as much folly as attacking anyone who looks at you funny, which I agree needs to be defeated as an idea, currently being promoted by Rubio.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#114940: Mar 8th 2016 at 1:02:35 PM

They may not like it, but if they want to be taken seriously as a great power (nevermind superpower), they have to learn it, which means doing it properly. Easier said than done

No kidding. But that goes beyond being taken seriously by other countries. The thing with Vietnam is that a war that people have the perception they're losing in, in one way or another, is damaging to public morale and ultimately does more damage to ourselves even if objectively there's not much real risk.

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Shameful Display
#114941: Mar 8th 2016 at 1:16:11 PM

[up][up][up][up] Is it wrong that I feel a bit bad for the white working class. The world they were raised for is gone. Their history will ether be forgotten or viewed with disgrace, I doubt Mexican immigrants will give a shit about say WW 2, and I'm not even talking about the Civl War or God forbid the Revolution. I do hope they realize the irony of their predicament, though it will only really hit them on the head around the time the army invades the South and the Rustbelt to round them up into reservationstongue

General Petreus and the warrior class in general need to stand up to Trump. For better or worse, I say for better, this country greatly admires the Military. Remember taking them on is what got Macarthy's whole Witch hunt ended.

edited 8th Mar '16 1:20:32 PM by JackOLantern1337

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#114942: Mar 8th 2016 at 1:19:17 PM

The white working class did themselves in with their refusal to support policies that would provide broad-based wealth equalization, lest some of it go to their hated race enemies. I have minimal sympathy, except that I'm a part of the white working class (albeit the top 20 percent). At least I can say I voted Democrat when I had the chance.

In response to your edit: It's weird how our cultural fetishization of the military acts as a backstop against political craziness, although I would argue that the post-Vietnam era has seen its respect dwindle somewhat.

edited 8th Mar '16 1:27:27 PM by Fighteer

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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#114943: Mar 8th 2016 at 1:26:41 PM

Having the strongest military won't help you when the rest of the world hates your guts and refuses to do any business with you, which is what will happen if Trump becomes president.

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Lost in Space
#114944: Mar 8th 2016 at 1:28:27 PM

[up] As much as I'd like to agree with you, the world needs our business more than we need the world's business. Sooner or later, realpolitik will ensue and nations will deal with Trump's America, at least until he declares war on them.

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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#114945: Mar 8th 2016 at 1:29:29 PM

Bernie Sanders reportedly joining fight over 17-year-olds' right to vote in Ohio

A national voting rights organization - along with nine 17-year-old plaintiffs - is suing Secretary of State Jon Husted for his refusal to allow 17-year-olds to vote in next week’s presidential primary.

Meanwhile, Sen. Bernie Sanders, Democratic candidate for President, also announced Tuesday that he will file a separate suit against Husted, according to Washington Post reporter John Wagner. Sanders has strong support among younger voters.

The Fair Elections Legal Network filed a 16-page complaint against Husted today in Franklin County Court of Common Pleas, claiming that the most recent version of the Ohio Election Manual violates the state’s Election Code by barring 17-year-olds from voting in the presidential primary.

Rachel Bloomekatz, the attorney working on the case, said Ohio Revised Code specifically allows 17-year-olds to vote in primary elections, including presidential primaries, if they will be 18 by the time of the general election.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#114946: Mar 8th 2016 at 1:33:12 PM

[up][up]Not quite. You'd be suprised what countries would do that may be inefficient or hard just to not deal with another country in particular.

The US may be able to get on well on its own, but the world can deal without the US too. It is not the indispensable country any more.

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Shameful Display
#114947: Mar 8th 2016 at 1:36:00 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Actually it's seen the respect grow. During WW 2, because nearly everyone served, the Army was regularly mocked and regarded with suspicion. Vietnam was the low point in regards to respect for the Military, and the only point where I would say they were hated by the majority of the populace. The revival of national pride that followed the election of Ronald Reagan, and the widespread guilt the nation felt about the abuse heaped upon Vietnam vets post war, by both sides, though the liberals ended taking the brunt of backlash. Hell even in the 90's it was okay to use the army and the "government" as villains. Then 9/11 happened. Combine the previous cultural guilt over the treatment of Nam vets, and the nations vow not to repeat the experience, and the patriotic groundswell that resulted from the nations outrage over the attack, and you had the sky high approval ratings the Military enjoyed during the Bush years. Of course now, since they aren't actively kicking in terrorist skulls, that respect has dwindled, mostly applied to elite formations, especially the SEALS.

[up][up][up][up] That would be a wee bit hypocitical of the rest of the World seeing as they are willing to do buisness with the likes of Iran, North Korea, Russia, and China. Of course we have a free press and a population and media more than happy to complain about ourselves to foreigners, so we can't hide our misdeeds as well as other nations.

Edit: And of course their is Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states, just you think I was only listing US enemies.

[up] That would be China right?

edited 8th Mar '16 1:40:41 PM by JackOLantern1337

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#114948: Mar 8th 2016 at 1:42:15 PM

There is no one indispensible country now. World is becoming more multipolar by the week from simply natural trends. Place a guy like Trump in power, the impetus to not be dependant on the US increases, and this so does the momentum of change. Trump coming to power would not doom the US itself in terms of the benefits we get from trade, but his rise would hurt the US's overall standing in real terms nevertheless.

edited 8th Mar '16 1:42:38 PM by FFShinra

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#114949: Mar 8th 2016 at 1:55:48 PM

[up][up] You are the first person I've heard make that claim about the WWII military being mocked back then. Care to provide a source on that? Because I've always been under the impression that the military was highly supported back then, due to facing such unspeakable evil.

Speaking of Hitler, Trump plays the innocence card on the "raise right hand pledge" looking like the Nazi salute. "I mean I'd like to find out that that's true, but I would certainly look into it, because I don't want to offend anybody." Oh that's rich.

edited 8th Mar '16 1:56:27 PM by speedyboris

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#114950: Mar 8th 2016 at 2:03:19 PM

General Petreus and the warrior class in general need to stand up to Trump. For better or worse, I say for better, this country greatly admires the Military. Remember taking them on is what got Macarthy's whole Witch hunt ended.

"The Warrior class"?

What the fuck is this guy describing, the medieval ages or the hierarchy of the ancient hittites?

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