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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#114851: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:31:17 PM

they shall all Feel The Bern...

Bernie is the one true 45th president of America but a clown is ready to take our country.

Donald Trump is the black worm poised to eat the heart of the realm. Racism was his father and Idiocy his mother. Vote against him before he corrupts you. Vote against them all, Queen Banker and King Worm, vile robot and the whispering liars with false policies! Save yourselves! The scourging fire must come and we will all feel the Bern.

edited 7th Mar '16 5:45:44 PM by MadSkillz

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#114852: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:32:59 PM

[up] Don't forget the Zodiac Killer.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#114853: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:41:29 PM

As much as I hate seeing someone like Trump even getting anywhere near a position of power - isn't the whole "brokered convention" thing basically proving the anti-establishment crowd supporting him right?

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#114854: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:44:30 PM

Yep, it'd be a gross violation of democracy.

And a very much needed one.

Oh really when?
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#114855: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:45:06 PM

[up][up] Yes, but to be frank I don't think the American people are ready for true democracy. Remember the first President elected by popular voting was Andrew Jackson. That should tell you something about the quality of our citizenry.

Racists for Trump.

edited 7th Mar '16 5:46:01 PM by JackOLantern1337

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#114856: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:46:08 PM

[up] I saw that.[lol]

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#114857: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:46:28 PM

Watching the Fox town hall debate - and had to laugh and applaud this particular exchange.

Bret Baier: Excuse me, where did that Right [to free healthcare] come from? In your mind.
Sanders: Being a human being.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#114858: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:54:47 PM

The Specter of Protectionism in America I didn't know they tried building a tariff wall during the depression.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#114859: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:56:36 PM

[up]They did and the protectionism was cited as one of the measures that made it worse.

@Racists for Trump, so racists I can't even watch that in my country..

edited 7th Mar '16 5:57:19 PM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#114860: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:57:59 PM

The "Racists for Trump" thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Was this not the same TV show that profited off of the hot-button controversy surrounding Trump's racist ideology?

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#114861: Mar 7th 2016 at 6:29:55 PM

They profit off anything for comedy. Thats kinda their thing.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#114862: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:14:40 PM

A brokered convention isn't exactly a mockery of democracy — political parties in America are not public institutions, and are entirely within their rights to pick whoever they damn well please as their candidate for president. It's only their own internal rules that give rank-and-file party members any say in the process at all, and those same rules can be used to nominate someone else if they see fit.

That said, if the primary process results in a clear mandate for Trump and the party establishment brokers the convention to nominate someone else, there's going to be hell to pay. I actually have no idea what form it would take (given that I honestly have no idea what action would-be Trump supporters can take against the party elite that can't be blocked by the party elite), but I very much doubt it's going to be anything good for the Republican party.

The only question is whether it would be better or worse than Trump as the Republican nominee.

edited 7th Mar '16 7:17:09 PM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#114863: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:19:18 PM

[up]It'll be better. Unless you have really good aim, you basically can't throw a rock without hitting someone who'd make a better president than Trump.

Unless of course you're in a club run by Nazis, Communists, Anarchists, or Anarcho-Commu Nazis.

Leviticus 19:34
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#114864: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:28:09 PM

What would Trump supporters do? Some of them, quite possibly start shooting, these aren't always the most sane and rational people.

Which makes me wonder, is the Republican Convetion a gun free zone?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#114865: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:28:37 PM

I'm pretty sure it is actually.

Oh really when?
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#114866: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:29:33 PM

I mean it makes sense for it to be, but the irony of that...

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#114867: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:29:45 PM

Yes. Security at the conventions are extreme ever since RFK was assassinated.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#114868: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:31:55 PM

Come on, let's not fantasize about every major Republican politician getting shot by their constituents, which would admittedly be the greatest political irony the world would ever know.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#114869: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:36:00 PM

The irony would be because the gun free zone is the best target for a lunatic, as we all know :-/

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#114870: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:39:12 PM

They will have armed security there, so not really.

Edit: Oh wait were you just parody parroting the Republican position? I can't tell.

edited 7th Mar '16 7:40:25 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
FalseDichotomy from Your mind :o Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#114871: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:49:34 PM

I've been thinking about something and I keep coming to the same conclusion. Wouldn't a Clinton presidency be worse for the Republicans than a Sanders presidency?

People like to bash Clinton as being pro big business/Wall Street. She's been paid by big banks to give speeches, she was involved in the negotiations for the TPP and her husband was responsible for repealing Glass Steagall. So there's truth to the accusation. If she became president some of her policies would be good for big moneynote  so in these cases wouldn't the big business oriented Republican establishment have to work with Clinton and not against? Work with someone they've spent years demonizing? I don't see that going down too well the revolting Tea Party faction.

Sanders on the other hand, he's not going to be too friendly with big business so that means the Republican establishment will have reason to oppose him. He's also been labelled a...SOCIALIST(!). So the Tea Party faction or whatever we're calling this extremist/revolting demographic of the GOP will be against him. Wouldn't having a common enemy in a seat of power do a lot to quail the party's infighting? Not stop it completely, but make it take a back seat to their Sanders problem?

edited 7th Mar '16 8:00:25 PM by FalseDichotomy

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#114872: Mar 7th 2016 at 8:21:25 PM

It'll be better. Unless you have really good aim, you basically can't throw a rock without hitting someone who'd make a better president than Trump.
I didn't phrase that very clearly; what I meant was that it's an open question which would be worse for the Republican party: letting Trump become their nominee, or pissing off a good chunk of their constituency by brokering the convention against him. Both are bad options for the GOP but it remains unclear which would do more damage in the long run.

I don't actually think that Trump supporters would turn to violence en masse (isolated incidents are possible, of course, but isolated incidents of violence are always possible), but the question is what pulling the rug out from under them with a brokered convention would do. There's really nowhere else for them to go. They're not going to vote Democrat, for the most part. Would they stay home on election day? Hold their nose and vote for the Republican candidate as their least-bad option? Unlike the Tea Party, there's no mass movement forming around Trump, so it's not like they could vote for Trump-like candidates in downticket races.

Honestly, if the Dixiecrats stop voting Republican over it, then that could spell the end of the Republicans as we know them. The party might recover, eventually, but not without some new leadership pointing them in a new direction and attracting new voters, and in the meantime the Democrats would beat the stuffing out of them. Even with the Dixiecrats, the Republicans are barely holding on — without them, they can't really compete.

edited 7th Mar '16 8:21:42 PM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#114873: Mar 7th 2016 at 8:22:22 PM

The Republican establishment has spent so long demonizing Hillary that they'll probably stonewall anything she does out of reflex. It will be Obama 2.0, basically.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#114874: Mar 7th 2016 at 8:25:23 PM

Yeah, I think the GOP kind of shot itself in the foot by becoming the contrarian party to Obama.

And, while they probably couldn't have anticipated this, they probably also shot themselves in the other foot when they started demonizing Hillary to the point that they completely overlook the far worse Bernie Sanders.

Leviticus 19:34
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#114875: Mar 7th 2016 at 8:31:58 PM

If Trump runs third-party after a brokered convention ratfuck, I wonder if he'll be able to incite a Dixiecrat attack on the Republican establishment downticket and throw some Republican races to the Democrats? (Democratic House, Senate and President Sanders in 2016. A man can dream...though that'll force Sanders to actually govern, which could be bad.)

@Protagonist: Cruz is worse than Trump. Rubio isn't much better - in fact, my mom prefers Trump to Rubio, though Mom has a particular hate-on for people she sees as slimeballs.


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