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#114801: Mar 7th 2016 at 1:20:45 PM

No. Nazi had style. Bombast. They were trying to live out a Warner opera. Trump is living out a reality show. Cruz a Cruzade. Rubio a sci-fi about the sentience of robots.

No. They are way too boring and banal to be Nazis. They're bad copies. Ersatzis.

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#114802: Mar 7th 2016 at 1:22:40 PM

Drumpf was an actual name assosiated with his family and not just a memetic germanized nickname? Huh.

Clinton doesn't strike me as being ignorant of Sanders' demographics. If she were, she wouldn't be trying to pander to them.

True. With big exceptions of war, healthcare, and Wall Street he is defining her campaign strategy. Should she win the primary, I suspect all the Sanders-pandering rhetoric will be carefully arranged and burned down once she doesn't need to use it.

Especially versus Trump. Trump's Democratic opponent can eat a live baby on national television and still come off as better.

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#114803: Mar 7th 2016 at 1:25:20 PM

I agree, DrDougsh. (Sorry if I got your name wrong) With the Democrats, it's more like anger at corruption and asskissing of the rich while paying lip service to everyone else.

With the Repulicans, it's multiple incompatible ideologies splitting apart, all wanting something different.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#114804: Mar 7th 2016 at 1:25:53 PM

[up][up] And because she'll probably be eyeing some of the disaffected Neocons who won't vote for Trump.

Really, the most likely scenario that leads to a Democratic civil war compareable to what's going on with the Republicans is if Clinton gets elected president and then starts actively rejecting all of the rhetoric she borrowed from Sanders to pander to the Republican exodus that Trump started.

edited 7th Mar '16 1:26:11 PM by DrDougsh

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#114805: Mar 7th 2016 at 1:52:43 PM

The Dems aren't going to have a civil war of nearly the same caliber. The GOP is a party at the end of a lifecycle (not that the party itself is doomed, but that a restructuring is imminent). What we're seeing is Rome before the fall, they know they have electoral disadvantages, which leads to gerrymandering and being safe in their protected zones. This has combined with their crusade against "pork" and Citizens United to create places where Republicans are only vulnerable to other Republicans, where they cannot be persuaded by politicians because that lever's been taken away, but they can be bought out by any multi-millionaire who cares to try. They fight each other because each one is secure in their own little space. Democrats, fighting against the shackles the GOP has placed them in, have no space to turn on each other outside of only the bluest of places (so basically, local politics in liberal cities like NYC, Philly, or San Fran), and they are more likely to be able to buy each other off with earmark projects and less likely to be beholden to single major donors, creating a more civilized internal environment anyway.

Eventually we'll get back to a place where the Democratic National Convention could be the sight of a riot, but not for 20 years.

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#114806: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:07:48 PM

Also the Go P is a party that has made itself all about fighting, yes we're talking a political struggle between powers groups over an actual physical civil war, but I suspect that the same rhetoric that republicans use to justify actual wars and rebelling against the goverment has lead to a desire to fight something, even themselves. Republican ideology has been screaming for war for years, it's build up a desire to start a fight, of course that's going to term inwards at some point. But the Dems? There's not that level of warmongering and bloodthirst there, it simply doesn't exist.

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#114807: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:15:01 PM

Fox News Democratic Town Hall, hosted by Bret Baier, with Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders at 6PM ET

http://www.foxnews.com/live-coverage/fox-news-democratic-presidential-town-hall

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#114808: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:23:18 PM

Former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced that he will not be seeking a third-party run for the presidency because he does not want to be responsible for helping elect Ted Cruz or Donald Trump.

edited 7th Mar '16 2:46:37 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#114809: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:23:46 PM

[nja]

edited 7th Mar '16 2:23:57 PM by DrDougsh

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#114810: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:27:02 PM

Washington Post: Why Florida & Ohio are the only states that matter un the Republican presidential race. In short: if Drumpf wins both, he could win the nomination. If he doesn't win either, there's likely going to be a brokered convention. With only one, both scenarios are equally likely.

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#114811: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:27:35 PM

Well I guess that means Bloomberg won't fuck the election up by sapping votes away.

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#114812: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:29:50 PM

The Republican Civil War continues. Good on you, Bloomberg.

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#114813: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:34:12 PM

@Silas - I wouldn't be too dismissive of a democratic civil war. Its not happening yet (as I've said earlier, I think the Dems are about where the GOP was in 2010 or so), but if Hil gets the nod and loses? There will be a internal party coup.

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#114814: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:37:09 PM

Awww, look at the sweet little cult of centerism, Salon are full of it, the Dems aren't about to have a civil war. Now they should stop laughing for other reasons (people like Trump as a joke, but apparently that can get him votes in the US, he needs to be made serious and not a joke).

Salon is a rag, and saying there is gonna be a civil war is definitely reaching. That being said though, as some one who lingers around Reddit it's hard to deny that anti-Clinton sentiment undeniably exists in the Sanders camp.[1] [2] [3][4]

I think a lot of it has to do with way the Dem establishment has been rooting for Hillary, especially after Warren and Biden said they weren't running.

Just look at r/Politics front page.

edited 7th Mar '16 2:44:03 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#114815: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:38:23 PM

If even a quarter of the people plaguing Reddit with their juvenile dick waving actually went out and voted in the primary, Sanders would have won three times over by now.

edited 7th Mar '16 2:38:31 PM by Fighteer

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#114816: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:39:44 PM

Besides, compromise is a relatively built in feature of the Democrats, especially since it's an alliance of multiple special interest groups with their own varying progressive desires.

Any civil war in the Dems is probably going to be more, uh, civil? And will more likely tossing the Neo Liberal head off the throne.

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#114817: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:47:22 PM

While Sanders has mad it perfectly clear that the progressive vote is a thing, it has yet to achieve the "oomph" to unseat the neoliberal standard in the same way the "Trump vote" is doing to the neoconservative standard. And if it doesn't happen in this election cycle, it will be interesting to see how it plays out in the future.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#114818: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:47:45 PM

Oh it won't be the shit-throwing fest the GOP collapse has become, to be sure. But there are only two broad factions among the Dems, while the GOP has three. The simpler contest vying between the two will lead to a more stark break.

I should also point out that a lot of Sanders supporters online are only just on the cusp of the voting age and support him because of the horror stories they've heard about student debt. So they may not be able to do anything this election, but in future, they're gonna become more and more powerful.

And so it won't be a civil war. More like a coup de tat.

edited 7th Mar '16 2:49:15 PM by FFShinra

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#114819: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:49:56 PM

On Bloomberg, yay for sanity.

@Shinra, I'm not sold on the 2010 comparison, 2008 yes, because as you said if Hillary looses all hell will break loose, just as it did after Mc Ain lost. Still big if.

Reddit

I believe I've identified the problem.

How many of the involved reddit users even live in the US, are old enough to vote, registered voters and actually both to vote?

edited 7th Mar '16 2:54:16 PM by Silasw

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#114820: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:52:37 PM

[up] This is kinda why I've initially dismissed Sanders as "the new Ron Paul". Correlation of "This guy is so awesome!" from the internet and "Who the hell is that" from me seemed like a pattern.

Until I actually saw that Bernie Sanders is different by a long shot.

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#114821: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:56:11 PM

What three factions have the Republicans turned into?

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#114822: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:56:30 PM

[up][up][up]If it were just about the presidential election, 2008 would be more appropriate, but with the current and looming mishandling of the downticket races, even in the face of GOP chaos, would strengthen the anger more quickly than with the GOP, which has gained seats every election since Obama got elected to stave off the anger to last 8 years.

[up]The Establishment (neocons and wall street conservatives), Movement Conservatives (evangelicals and the Tea Party), and the recently revived Dixiecrats (John Birchers, Neo Nazis, others generally left behind by the GOP back in the 60s).

edited 7th Mar '16 2:57:53 PM by FFShinra

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#114823: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:56:34 PM

Student debt and Wall Street are actual issues which a lot of people share. That's quite different from Ron Paul's libertarian ideals, they tend to deal with comparatively less important problems.

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#114824: Mar 7th 2016 at 2:59:55 PM

[up][up] Don't forget the Rand/Ron Paul Libertarians and Constitutionalists.

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#114825: Mar 7th 2016 at 3:02:01 PM

[up][up][up]

So basically a three way division between Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and Donald Trump.

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