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GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#114776: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:13:48 AM

Personally, I believe the parties are realigning... Both of them, and the major focus is going to be on fighting social inequality. Social inequality naturally includes racial inequality, gender inequality and ethnic inequality, but also includes the economic inequality that Sanders and Trump rail against. I think that this perfectly explains why the establishment Republicans are failing so badly... They want social inequality in all of its forms, which is no longer acceptable to the majority of America, and since the Republicans won't denounce racial, gender, and ethnic inequality, they are being forced to denounce economic inequality via Trump's success with voters. This also explains why Clinton is more stable against Sanders. The Democrats already denounce racial, gender, and ethnic inequality, with Clinton only having an issue in regard to economic inequality.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#114777: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:28:27 AM

Sanders and Clinton are both too old for them to run on the same ticket; either one would need a running mate who is probably under 60 at the very least.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#114778: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:39:43 AM

Shinra, where do you get the claim "Sanders isn't running for re-election from" from?

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Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#114779: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:39:51 AM

Smokey isn't wrong. One of my best friends is voting for Trump because he thinks he'll shake things up (as in more or less cause a civil war), and he flat out disagrees with most of Trump's policies.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#114780: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:43:57 AM

[up][up]One of the debates. Wish I could recall which one, but he basically said he's not going to run for president half-assed with a senate campaign as a backstop, which I believe was meant as a dig at Rand Paul at the time.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#114781: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:45:13 AM

On the issue of economic inequality, the facts on how exactly harmful it is are beginning to get through to people, I think.

I think equality is important to both the left and right, they just focus on different things and so talk past each other.

Take equality of opportunity. Pretty much everyone agrees with that on some level or another.

You have the right railing against people who deny the fact of natural inequality while studiously pretending the massive nepotism in this country is somehow meritocratic and "survival of the fittest" rather than a race to the bottom. On the left, you see them rail against the right's tendency to ignore the fact that inequity aversion is a natural part of human nature and how harmful massive wealth accumulation and poverty are, while studiously pretending that in the absence of privilege, everyone would be equal in ability.

The truth is, the left and right are like yin and yang. For real understanding you have to see them together rather apart.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#114782: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:46:21 AM

Wait, Sanders' term isn't up until 2018 anyway. So he doesn't have to worry about his Senate seat (unless he wins the whole thing).

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#114783: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:48:41 AM

Fair enough then. I assumed he was up this year if he bothered to say anything at all.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#114784: Mar 7th 2016 at 11:23:21 AM

I just hope that if Sanders is elected that he doesn't pull another William Henry Harrison. Someone his age, with all of the stress that comes with the Presidency, might not last long, especially when he has to deal with a Congress that will undoubtedly try and stonewall him at every turn.

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#114785: Mar 7th 2016 at 11:46:52 AM

He could get Warren as his VP. I don't think she'd turn him down if he asked.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#114786: Mar 7th 2016 at 12:07:13 PM

She's not that young either is she?

Meh I still say go for Ron Regan, he's a Sander's supporter after all. tongue

Seriosuly though, they need someone young, someone who can also be gotten ready to take over in 4-8 years (if the stress is to much we could end up with a one term president).

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GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#114787: Mar 7th 2016 at 12:28:13 PM

[up] Clinton and Trump are both around 5 years younger than Sanders. Also as TV Tropes has in their article on William Henry Harrison...

Facing accusations that he was old and frail, as well as unintelligent, he decided to deliver an eloquent two-hour inauguration speech (which had already been edited for length). Outside. In cold weather. In the rain. Without warm clothes on. And then went out dancing. He seemed ok for about three weeks, then caught a cold (which became pneumonia), lingered bedridden for about nine days, and died, thereby proving the accusations true.

Also Ronald Reagan was older than him when he took office. Bernie Sanders will be fine since as President, he will have the best health care money can by... Because he would be President.

edited 7th Mar '16 12:29:16 PM by GameGuruGG

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#114788: Mar 7th 2016 at 12:31:14 PM

Stop laughing, Democrats! As the GOP goes down in flames, your post-Bernie civil war is almost here

While the Republicans compare dick sizes and howl at the moon, the fight for the Democratic Party is just starting

For the insurgents of the Sanders wing, the question now becomes how many of them are willing to turn to the more difficult and less exciting work of rebuilding democracy from the ground up, and taking the Democratic Party back from the lawyers and technology millionaires and Hollywood executives and foreign-policy apparatchiks who have become its principal proprietors. Because presidential campaigns can be great drama, but they also serve to distract us from more important things. They are political theater more than political change.

Since the rich people who bought the Democratic Party from Hillary Clinton’s husband have all but destroyed it, and long ago severed it from any semblance of class-based politics and any coherent ideology beyond “not as mean as the other guys,” the field is wide open. Millions of people of all ages were energized by an oddball candidate who started talking about things no one in American politics has talked about seriously for at least 50 years. “Socialism” suddenly isn’t a bad word anymore, and that’s amazing. But now what? Can those people do what activists on the right did over a period of several decades, electing school board members and county committee members and state legislators on the way toward the Reagan revolution and the Tea Party insurgency? Because those true believers on the right dug in and worked hard and changed political reality.

The Democratic establishment is desperately trying to ignore the moment of popular awakening embodied by the Sanders campaign, or to explain it away. Hence we are told that only young white people want single-payer healthcare, tuition-free public universities or a $15 minimum wage. The undeniable fact that African-American voters prefer Clinton to Sanders (thus far) is presented as prima facie evidence for various far-reaching but unspoken conclusions: the Democratic mainstream possesses a demographic or cultural legitimacy that the Sanders insurgency lacks; people of color are A-OK with capitalism and the existing political order; all this talk about economic inequality and political corruption is needlessly unpleasant.

What those people generally don’t explain is who’s going to make that happen in a political party that has deliberately stripped itself of any core ideology or fundamental set of principles (I’m sorry, but “niceness” and “tolerance” do not count), a party that lacks any coherent socioeconomic base and whose voters no longer even pretend to care unless there’s a charismatic presidential candidate at the top of the ticket. We already know that the devastating GOP sweep of the 2014 midterms, which produced the largest Republican congressional majority since Herbert Hoover was president, resulted from record low turnout and widespread voter apathy: Democratic House candidates received about 35.6 million votes, the party’s lowest total since 2002, when the overall electorate was significantly smaller.

Party insiders and “activists,” if any can still be found in that demoralized institution, can’t and won’t make any of that possible. It will take a rebel incursion, an invading force of newcomers from outside the Democratic Party and outside politics, to inject the necessary vitality.

edited 7th Mar '16 12:45:09 PM by BonsaiForest

FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#114789: Mar 7th 2016 at 12:43:39 PM

I just need to check... you are all using "Trump", right? need to make sure the Drumph extension is working

edited 7th Mar '16 12:43:55 PM by FieldMarshalFry

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#114790: Mar 7th 2016 at 12:47:32 PM

Yeah, we're all using Trump.

[up][up] So we'll either chug away in mediocrity or crash and burn to the Republican's advantage. I'll adjust my screaming accordingly.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#114791: Mar 7th 2016 at 12:47:35 PM

[up][up] You'd better not be editing with that thing on or Fighter is gonna kill you.

[up][up][up] Awww, look at the sweet little cult of centerism, Salon are full of it, the Dems aren't about to have a civil war. Now they should stop laughing for other reasons (people like Trump as a joke, but apparently that can get him votes in the US, he needs to be made serious and not a joke).

edited 7th Mar '16 12:47:48 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#114792: Mar 7th 2016 at 12:49:21 PM

What is the "Drumpf" extension? I saw a post about not using it but I don't even know what it is.

edited 7th Mar '16 1:04:42 PM by LSBK

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#114793: Mar 7th 2016 at 12:50:11 PM

Clinton doesn't strike me as being ignorant of Sanders' demographics. If she were, she wouldn't be trying to pander to them.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#114794: Mar 7th 2016 at 12:54:23 PM

[up][up]Not too long ago Trump made a dig about John Stewart changing his name and said that he's proud of his heritage and never changed his.

Even though he totally did and his real last name is Drumpf.

Oh really when?
FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#114795: Mar 7th 2016 at 12:54:44 PM

[nja]

edited 7th Mar '16 12:55:05 PM by FieldMarshalFry

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#114796: Mar 7th 2016 at 12:55:33 PM

To be fair, I don't think Trump personally changed his name, unlike Stewart.

GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#114797: Mar 7th 2016 at 12:58:36 PM

It was Trump's grandfather whose changed his name from Drumpf to Trump, as that was common for German immigrants at the time. Donald Trump was always Donald Trump.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#114798: Mar 7th 2016 at 1:01:02 PM

Also, the GOP isn't "going down in flames" yet. Wait until the results of the elections in Congress are in before saying that.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#114799: Mar 7th 2016 at 1:04:08 PM

It are not falling apart, they just collectively are just getting crazier and more right wing and Nazi every day.

edited 7th Mar '16 1:05:40 PM by Memers

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#114800: Mar 7th 2016 at 1:12:09 PM

The ideological differences between the Republicans look much more severe to me than what's going on with the Democrats.


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