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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#114701: Mar 6th 2016 at 6:12:19 PM

Damit I missed it. How's it?

@ Socialists and leftists: Their own actions alienated the middle class, who let's not forget were and are the largest group in America, and were until recently the overall majority. They have nothing to blame for their collapse but their own stupidity.

edited 6th Mar '16 6:15:29 PM by JackOLantern1337

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#114702: Mar 6th 2016 at 6:57:55 PM

[up]

Mind running the reasoning for that by me? Because the leftists/socialists would, generally speaking, be those most in-favor of Unions having equal (if not greater) influence on business practices than the executives of the companies they work for - and Reagan was the one to break their back when he summarily fired Air Traffic Controllers when they went on strike back in '81.

Which is Harsher in Hindsight given that, roughly 30 years later, people figured out that this same profession was being overworked to a hazardous degree, something they'd been pushing to fix by striking in '81.

[down]

Not worked up, just trying to puzzle out the underlying logic he used to get to that conclusion.

edited 6th Mar '16 7:32:30 PM by ironballs16

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#114703: Mar 6th 2016 at 7:23:41 PM

[up] Don't get too worked up. It's pure Jack rhetoric.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#114704: Mar 6th 2016 at 7:32:27 PM

@ Socialists and leftists: Their own actions alienated the middle class, who let's not forget were and are the largest group in America, and were until recently the overall majority. They have nothing to blame for their collapse but their own stupidity.

I'm in agreement there, to an extent. The US population is much more left of center than people think, this is a fact that both sides have known for quite some time, but it has virtually zero effect on actual policy because of lobbyists.

alioth Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#114705: Mar 6th 2016 at 7:42:42 PM

Saw roughly half (the second half) of the debate. Both Clinton and Sanders seemed to do pretty well in the parts I saw, though Hilary seemed to pause a bit more than the she should and Sanders answered a lot of questions with economy-related answers when I don't think economy related answers were called for.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#114706: Mar 6th 2016 at 7:44:31 PM

[up][up][up][up] They, especially the more socialist elements, moved to far of the left than the Middle class was comfortable with. At a time of increasing crime they railed against the police. At a time when the US was being pummeled abroad by the Soviets they called for further concessions. And to make matters worse they got themselves associated with all sorts of violent groups, and generally were perceived to be "unpatriotic." They were right about many, if not most of these things being needed to address poverty. The problem is that the poor were not the majority of voters in this country, the middle class were. And they no longer viewed "left wing" priorities to be in their best interests. So when Reagan came along they turned out to vote for him. and undid nearly everything those progressives worked for.

Of course that's just my reading of the situation, I wasn't their and I am no expert on politics or sociology. And I apologize for being blunt, and perhaps offensive. And I would also like to add now that the winds appear to be shifting in the opposite direction, the middle class now believes it's best interests lie with supporting more left wing politics, as a result of years being screwed over by the wealthy.

edited 6th Mar '16 7:44:39 PM by JackOLantern1337

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#114707: Mar 6th 2016 at 7:53:35 PM

Sanders answered a lot of questions with economy-related answers when I don't think economy related answers were called for.
That's sort of Sanders' thing.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#114708: Mar 6th 2016 at 7:58:35 PM

@Jack: Indeed, I think that's mostly accurate. The middle class is seeing their eroding power and is afraid, so they're drawn back by leftist politics in the hope of regaining it. This is part of the reason why, I think, you see so many radical conservatives (it's sad that that it's come to that, but true), it's direct reaction to this. Blame Barry Goldwater for the radical turn in conservatism.

Really I think that the left and right, once you cut away the bullshit (admittedly no easy task), agree on a lot more than they think they do.

edited 6th Mar '16 8:07:52 PM by CassidyTheDevil

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#114709: Mar 6th 2016 at 8:07:01 PM

The term "radical conservative" sounds like an oxymoron.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#114710: Mar 6th 2016 at 8:15:05 PM

That's true. You see a lot of oxymorons these days. They're everywhere. tongue

My hypothesis: Horseshoe theory is on the right track, but I think it's worth noting how readily the left and right are willing to switch seats, and like musical chairs it's actually difficult to tell who is which if you look at the broader picture.

They're much more closely intertwined in philosophy than they might first appear.

edited 6th Mar '16 8:22:21 PM by CassidyTheDevil

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#114711: Mar 6th 2016 at 8:48:42 PM

Americans should think twice before moving to Cape Breton.tongue

https://capebreton.lokol.me/21-cape-breton-tips-for-american-immigrants

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#114712: Mar 6th 2016 at 8:59:25 PM

Cape Breton sounds fantastic.

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#114713: Mar 6th 2016 at 9:00:27 PM

RE: Radical conservatism

Radical conservatism isn't that much of an oxymoron, since method and ideology don't have to go hand in hand. For instance, someone who believes that a coup d'etat or revolution is needed in order to prevent progress and preserve conservative values, could easily be described as a radical conservative without stretching the language at all.

One could fairly easily dub Jefferson Davis and the rest of the Confederate leadership radical conservatives, given their willingness to step outside the political system and wage a revolution/civil war in order to maintain the economic and social status quo. In a more modern context, regimes like those of Augusto Pinochet and the National Reorganization Process could be labeled radically conservative, as both attempted to restructure political society among new (militarized) lines in the name of preserving conservative social values. There's a case to be made too that fascism, as an ideology, incorporates radical politics with conservative or even reactionary social and cultural values.

edited 6th Mar '16 9:01:07 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#114714: Mar 6th 2016 at 9:59:43 PM

[up][up]Good, good. Help them repopulate the island (or at least bring in some tourist monies). Ignore the fact that you are wondering straight into an economic dead weight of an island where the only viable revenue sources are golf courses, admittedly nice hiking trailers, one decent university and maybe some tech business. The entire island could very well be turned into one giant tourist trap/retirement home and that's probably its best case scenario.tongue

edited 6th Mar '16 10:25:01 PM by Rationalinsanity

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#114715: Mar 7th 2016 at 6:56:22 AM

Did you see Sanders on CNN? Wasn't he epic?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#114716: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:00:00 AM

And if he loses, alllll the enthusiasm goes away. And I say that voting for Hil.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#114717: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:01:59 AM

Win Or Lose, Bernie Sanders Has Changed America.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#114718: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:03:38 AM

Apparently he delivered an epic burn last night to Republicans.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#114719: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:08:35 AM

I just hope that the Bernie supporters don't lose so much excitement/gain a ton of spite that they don't vote at all in November (if he loses the nomination). Or that Clinton supporters don't see Bernie as too left-wing, so they stay home.

edited 7th Mar '16 7:13:50 AM by Rationalinsanity

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#114720: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:20:17 AM

[up][up] He said both he and Hillary would increase federal funding for mental health, and pointed to the Republican debates as a reason why.

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Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#114721: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:22:04 AM

[up][up]Considering crushing Bernie supporter enthusiasm is something Clinton campaign aims towards to begin with, via its so-called "political realism" and "pragmatism", staying home is going to be an inevitable response on some level from a number of Sanders voters.

And though I can't vote, the more I watch Clinton and her supporters go, the more spite I acquire for them.

[up] Ahahahha... [awesome] to him.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#114722: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:23:44 AM

[up][up][up]That is a real concern. Since people consider the current republican crop to be mostly unelectable (or at least the ones that have any chance of getting the nomination), there is a very real possibility that Democrats are already less likely to vote in the general. After al, it's a foregone conclusion, is it not? Why bother taking off from work if you'll get yours either way? If a large chunk then decides to stay home for any other reason, then the Republican nominee actually has a real shot at the prize.

[up][up] Feel the Bern!

edited 7th Mar '16 7:25:39 AM by Kayeka

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United Earth
#114724: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:46:30 AM

This, on the other hand, isn't especially radical...

edited 7th Mar '16 7:46:44 AM by TheHandle

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Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#114725: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:54:23 AM

Joe Biden brings the heat:

Ted Cruz? An inspiration to every kid in America who worries that he’ll never be able to run for President because nobody likes him. He’s running. And look, I told Barack, if you really, really want to remake the Supreme Court, nominate Cruz. Before you know it, you’ll have eight vacancies.

Donald has attacked every person of color – except John Boehner.

But folks, on a serious point, Trump said he likes “people who don't get captured." What a terrible thing to say about my friend and a genuine war hero, John Mc Cain. So tonight I call on Donald Trump to be a man of his word – and release Chris Christie right now.

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