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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#114676: Mar 6th 2016 at 12:47:28 PM

Wikipedia suggests Adric is right, and that the Ayatollah had initially torpedoed the initial round of negotiations for reasons of his own until the Shah died and Iran-Iraq War broke out. The changing situation made antagonizing the US pointless at best.

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#114677: Mar 6th 2016 at 12:52:11 PM

More or less Reagan had jack shit to do with the release of the hostages and Carter, once again, proves himself to be our must underrated President by doing the actual negotiations and not getting the credit for it.

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#114678: Mar 6th 2016 at 12:59:49 PM

If Robert Gates is to be believed we funded moderate Democratic opposition groups. He doesn't go into much detail about them, but he does list Vietnam as one of the Soviet proxies we bloodied during the Reagan years

Edit: Though during the Ford administration we condemned Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia, as a way to suck up to China and make our alliance work. That is also the reason we supported Pakistan against India, well that and their dictator was best buds with Nixon. It is hilarious how much of Nixon and Ford's bad behavior can be traced to trying to make friends with China, though that is certainly not responsible for all of it.

edited 6th Mar '16 1:04:09 PM by JackOLantern1337

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#114679: Mar 6th 2016 at 1:03:30 PM

[up] Guess one of the other countries Reagan courted?

China.

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#114681: Mar 6th 2016 at 1:34:26 PM

So I found a new fun toy, 270towin, have electoral college predictions based on current polls for possible candidates, for states without polling you can add in 2012 results. There's Clinton vs Republicans[1] and Sanders vs Republicans[2] maps.

Here's are the match ups against Clinton, it's just a three layer system, Dem, Republicans or competitive.

  • Clinton vs Cruz: Clinton 250, competitive 139, Cruz 149. That's with Florida, New Hampshire and Pennsylvania being for Clinton, Colorado for Cruz and the competitive states including Missouri, Minnesota and Wisconsin .
  • Clinton vs Rubio: Clinton 239, competitive 141, Rubio 158. Florida, Nevada and Pennsylvania would be back in play with the Colorado, Minnesota and the South apart from Louisiana, Kentucky and South Carolina solid red. But there's one problem, Kansas and Texas are in the blue camp.
  • Clinton vs Trump: Clinton 224, competitive 172, Trump 142. Pennsylvania, Florida, Missouri and Minnesota all up for grabs, alongside Texas, Kentucky, both Carolinas and Alaska. However Virginia and Wisconsin solid blue.

So they all look like pretty interesting races, I'm rather curious as to why Colorado seems to be the "anyone but Clinton" state based off polling.

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#114682: Mar 6th 2016 at 1:46:19 PM

From what I understand of Colorado, they seem to gravitate towards ideologues, whether of the left or the right.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#114683: Mar 6th 2016 at 1:58:55 PM

Isn't Colorado particularly youthful compared to the rest of the midwest or am I thinking of somewhere else?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#114684: Mar 6th 2016 at 2:01:17 PM

Colorado isn't part of the Midwest.

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#114685: Mar 6th 2016 at 2:03:25 PM

Oh yes, 270towin is superb. I generally forget that it's not very well known outside of PoliSci circles, but hooray for more exposure!

edited 6th Mar '16 2:03:41 PM by darksidevoid

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#114686: Mar 6th 2016 at 2:05:23 PM

I'm a bit surprised that Clinton vs. Trump is a closer call than Clinton vs. Rubio or Cruz; I was under the impression that Trump was the only Republican Clinton was polled likely to defeat.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#114687: Mar 6th 2016 at 2:23:39 PM

Marco Rubio wins Puerto Rico primary.

By looks of it, he'll be taking all 23 delegates.

edited 6th Mar '16 2:24:12 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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A procrastination in of itself
#114689: Mar 6th 2016 at 2:33:25 PM

[up]X3 That's nationally, 270towin use state by state polls.

Also it's not so much that Trump is the most likely to win as the race is at its most competitive. Trump makes many states Clinton would win against others competitive, but he also makes many states that others would win against Clinton competitive. Clinton could win 396 EV if she took all the competitive states against Trump, compared to 389 against Cruz and 380 against Rubio.

However Trump could also win the biggest, with him being able to get 314 EV, compared to Cruz's 288 and Rubio's 299.

[up] In primaries yes.

edited 6th Mar '16 2:34:03 PM by Silasw

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#114690: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:03:33 PM

Territories can vote in the primaries, and even expats can vote for the Dems. I think Democrats Abroad (their representative group in the party) already had theirs.

optimusjamie Since: Jun, 2010
#114691: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:25:23 PM

[up] I think my aunt (who lives in the UK but comes from Connecticut) has to wait for her home state's primary. At least, that's what she told me.

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#114692: Mar 6th 2016 at 4:05:54 PM

Micheal Reagan endorses John Kasich.

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
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#114694: Mar 6th 2016 at 4:15:09 PM

[up] He the normal one or the crazy one?

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#114695: Mar 6th 2016 at 4:19:00 PM

He's the crazy one, the normal one is backing Sanders.

To quote him in 2013 on gay marriage "There is also a very slippery slope leading to other alternative relationships and the unconstitutionality of any law based on morality. Think about polygamy, bestiality, and perhaps even murder.". He also called for 9/11 truthers to be killed (while they're assholes that's a bit much) and supports racial profiling.

edited 6th Mar '16 4:25:27 PM by Silasw

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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#114696: Mar 6th 2016 at 4:32:21 PM

Reagan reaped a lot of the benefits from being in office right when Carter's policies economic policies kicked in and reversed the recession.

Many people also believe Reagan's campaign secretly negotiated with Iran to postpone the release of the hostages until after the election, much like Nixon did with Vietnam.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#114697: Mar 6th 2016 at 4:45:41 PM

And then there's the Iran Contra was used to spread Crack Cocaine into black communities to shatter the growing Socialist-Leftist movement conspiracy theories.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#114698: Mar 6th 2016 at 5:12:17 PM

10 minutes in and Bernie has already won the Maine Caucus.

edited 6th Mar '16 5:13:05 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#114699: Mar 6th 2016 at 5:28:57 PM

He's gonna win Michigan with the way this debate is going.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#114700: Mar 6th 2016 at 5:35:14 PM

Watching the Democratic debate from Flint Michigan, and even Hillary laughed at Sanders' line about "You want others' speeches to Wall Street? Here's mine. (Beat) Nothin'! I haven't given speeches to them!"

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