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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
What. The. Flying. Fuck? o.O Which college did he get his qualifications from? <_<
Obama pulled a Frank Underwood and screwed the unions over...
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The man who bailed Wall Street and implemented the TPP screws over workers... I am not the least bit surprised.
Stuff like this is what I'm thinking whenever someone goes "Relax, Clinton will be like Obama", before my objections get inevitably drowned in "Fuck our standards, Trumpzilla is coming!".
edited 5th Mar '16 3:50:28 AM by Luminosity
Sorta amusing, Trump's most recent healthcare proposal that I've seen in a way included the worst of both worlds. Called for insurance deregulated and available across state lines, but also called for health insurance to be a tax write-off (making it government subsidized in a backwards sort of way but without any oversight).
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I don't know about the US but over here bailing out the banks was a good thing for workers and common people, it wasn't done the best way but it had to be done, because othwise money could have stopped coming out of AT Ms and we'd have been super fucked.
I wasn't aware of this, but one of Trump's campaign leaders was arrested with the Bundy bunch
. His wife, sadly, was not.
Jerry Delemus, a significant component of Trump’s campaign effort to attract veterans, is a Tea Party activist who made trips to take part in the Bundy Ranch stand-off. According to the indictment being brought against him, Delemus was “a mid-level leader and organizer of the conspiracy who, among other things: recruited, organized, trained and provided logistical support to gunmen and other followers and organized and led armed patrols and security checkpoints.”
Delemus’s connection to Trump is certainly a factor, but it’s also damaging to the Republican party as a whole. Jerry’s wife, Susan Delemus, is a GOP lawmaker in the state of New Hampshire’s House of Representatives. News of the incident first broke when Susan called Jack Kimball, the former chairman of the New Hampshire GOP to let him know that the FBI was raiding their house. Here’s what Kimball wrote on Facebook:
“She said that the FBI just rolled up with lots of vehicles and Agents who were in tactical gear. They forced their way into Jerry Delemus and Sue’s condo with weapons drawn and arrested Jerry and took him away.”
Currently, the FBI is not taking questions on the matter and is asking that anyone needing more information to get in contact with the Department of Justice. As of right now, the U.S. DOJ has not gotten back in touch with local newspaper Portsmouth Patch, who reported on it first.
Here is a list of the charges Delemus is currently being faced with:
- Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States.
- Threatening a federal law enforcement officer.
- Obstruction of justice.
- Attempting to impede or injure a federal law enforcement officer.
- Several firearms charges.
In addition to taking part in the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Preserve in Oregon, Delemus was a security team member on the Bundy Ranch in Nevada.
Even though these charges are quite serious (and factual) it’s likely the right is going to chalk this up as retaliation for being either 1) a Trump supporter or 2) because of their anti-government beliefs.
Delemus’s wife had already been an outspoken proponent of big government and lying politicians, even before the FBI ransacked her home. That is, everyone but Trump. You may remember her face from a recent CNN survey she did, in which she professed her ardent support for the man:
“We’ve got people in positions of power who I know for a fact are liars. Liars! I watch the TV — My president comes on the TV and he lies to me! I know he’s lying. He lies all the time.”
No, Delemus was not arrested because of his “Trump” beliefs. If that was the case the FBI would have hauled her crazy ass off with him and thrown her in a jail cell, too.
You keep saying this about Obama, but you're wrong. That would be George W. Bush who bailed out the banks. Republicans then turned around and tried to blame Obama for it as part of their make Obama a one-term president strategy when they saw how unpopular it was.
Sort of like how Republicans stated in a poll that they didn't like Obama's handling of Hurricane Katrina
. (Also a thing that happened under Bush, about 3 years before Obama ever took office, in fact.)
Ok, after some checking(I admit, I should have done so before), I shall correct myself - Obama did not personally come up with a bailout, but he still supported it as a Senator. Here you can see him campaigning for it on two separate occasions:
There's a lot of "solve the problem first, then punish the causer" rhetoric. Unfortunately, someone appears to have had kinda forgotten about that second part... Please ignore the inflammatory title of the second video - the channel belongs to some whiny Ron Paul voter, apparently.
edited 5th Mar '16 7:20:34 AM by Luminosity
Then...you'd have let the world financial system collapse, and potentially made the Great Depression look like nothing? Those were the stakes.
@ SciFi:
I do remember there was at least one bank run. The bank was later nationalised (as were others that were near collapse).
edited 5th Mar '16 8:25:33 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnBanks not being bailed out is not equivalent to clients losing their money. It's all a matter of implementation.
For example: nationalization. The bank gets bailed, the shareholders and C-suite... don't.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Yeah, the bailout needed to happen, but alongside actions that would prevent what happened from ever happening again. For example, bailout the banks, but also nationalizing them and then breaking them up when returned to private industry. In addition, put the people who were in charge of the banks on trial for their actions. Make it so that the banks are not only no longer 'too big to fail' but also that the U.S. Government won't tolerate more bullshit like this.
Wizard Needs Food BadlyFor better or worse, that wasn't going to happen. Bush would have never signed off on it and even if the Democrats of the time had insisted (which, they were yet more wedded to third way ideas back then), then it would have protracted the crisis. The banks needed liquidity immediately.
Dodd-Frank could have had more teeth for violations, but it was the appropriate response legislation. You bail them out once and then work to make sure that it can't happen again.
There is frankly no reason other than political expediency that the banks couldn't have been broken up or the DoJ couldn't have pursued criminal charges or similar actions couldn't have been taken after Obama's term had started and the bailout had already happened. Obama was at the very height of his political capital at that point.
edited 5th Mar '16 9:26:52 AM by darksidevoid
GM: AGOG S4 & F/WC RP; Co-GM: TABA, SOTR, UUA RP; Sub-GM: TTS RP. I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new Empire.Hence why Trump is so popular. Among other things, he is the one pointing out the Man Behind The Curtain, because he's been behind the curtain as a puppetmaster for both parties. Win or lose, the sorts of ideas that Trump expounds are not going to go away, no matter how much people want them to. Those ideas need to be dealt with, but in a better way than the current political circus.
edited 5th Mar '16 10:09:10 AM by GameGuruGG
Wizard Needs Food Badlyre: 3 and 4-year-olds representing themselves in court, I've a feeling the judge's viewpoint is "who would be heartless enough to boot an illegal child from the country when they're staring them in the face?"
And in 'Thanks, Obama!' news, Bobby Jindal claims that Obama is what led to Drumpf
, because Drumpf is his antithesis.
edited 5th Mar '16 10:21:30 AM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"There are primary races today, and on the GOP side its looking like a Cruz v Trump match up.
Republican races include: Caucuses in Kansas, Kentucky and Maine, and a primary in Louisiana.
Democratic contests are: Caucuses in Nebraska and Kansas, with a primary in Louisiana.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.![]()
Radicalism in the right is definitely related to Obama. I mean, it's not his fault, but the radicalization of the right is definitely is basically a reactionary movement to Obama. The Republicans have become more desperate, bitter, and audacious against Obama.
I would say that, yes, Trump is the anti-Obama in so much as to how he composes himself and his opinions on social issues. While I have my disagreements with Obama, I will say that he's a nice guy. Trump is...not. He's really not.
Leviticus 19:34
