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#114426: Mar 4th 2016 at 10:43:21 AM

HEY! I'M NOT A LOVER! I'M A FIGHTER!

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#114427: Mar 4th 2016 at 11:41:09 AM

Can we officially start calling this the Republican Civil War yet?

No candidate has a plan for space exploration. It seems our space program, died, was buried, and the public just moved on. Kind of depressing really.

With the economy in the shithouse, we just aren't in a comfortable position to start firing billions of dollars into space. Space exploration is a luxury enterprise.

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#114428: Mar 4th 2016 at 11:41:34 AM

Doublepost

edited 4th Mar '16 11:41:42 AM by TobiasDrake

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#114429: Mar 4th 2016 at 11:45:25 AM

I beg to differ.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#114430: Mar 4th 2016 at 11:46:54 AM

There is a certain logic to establishment Republicans wanting the party to fracture. In the short term, it would leave Republicans hopelessly divided and allow the Democrats to sweep elections, yes. But how long do you suppose that situation would remain in place before the Democrats, no longer having a powerful Republican adversary they need to rally against, would succumb to their own intra-party bickering and split apart as well? Establishment Republicans may be planning to tear down both parties as they exist now and build a new party, more tailored to their interests, out of the wreckage.

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#114431: Mar 4th 2016 at 11:48:41 AM

edited 4th Mar '16 11:48:55 AM by Xopher001

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#114432: Mar 4th 2016 at 12:07:45 PM

You'd figure the Russophobes on the GOP side would be up in arms about getting NASA to build a next generation vehicle because despite all the rhetoric for a new cold war, we're still sending our folks into orbit from Kazakhstan.

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#114433: Mar 4th 2016 at 12:09:53 PM

There is a certain logic to establishment Republicans wanting the party to fracture. In the short term, it would leave Republicans hopelessly divided and allow the Democrats to sweep elections, yes. But how long do you suppose that situation would remain in place before the Democrats, no longer having a powerful Republican adversary they need to rally against, would succumb to their own intra-party bickering and split apart as well? Establishment Republicans may be planning to tear down both parties as they exist now and build a new party, more tailored to their interests, out of the wreckage.

So a lot of people would actually have to start paying attention to politics, at least for a short time, in order to recalibrate which of the new parties actually represents their views rather than just mindlessly voting R or D because that's what they've been voting forever?

I fail to see a downside here.

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#114434: Mar 4th 2016 at 12:12:02 PM

Well coming from a country that somewhat recently broke its own bipartisan system in elections...

People will still be dumb and vote for the same idiots under the different name. So the fracturing might not work like that, as is my experience.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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#114436: Mar 4th 2016 at 12:41:32 PM

Donald Trump has withdrawn from his speaking slot at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC).

edited 4th Mar '16 12:45:39 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#114437: Mar 4th 2016 at 12:50:38 PM

And now, a bit of levity. Twitterbot uses machine learning to mimic Donald Trump's style, and creates insane tweets!

Okay, it's amazing right now with ISIS, I tell you what? I don't want them to vote, the worst very social people. I love me.

We have to make the United States. They can't do it. Because I'm going to pay for the country.

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edited 4th Mar '16 12:59:41 PM by BonsaiForest

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#114438: Mar 4th 2016 at 12:57:28 PM

With the economy in the shithouse, we just aren't in a comfortable position to start firing billions of dollars into space. Space exploration is a luxury enterprise.
NASA's budget is miniscule on the national scale. This year it's about 19 billion. The total federal budget is 4 trillion. NASA is less than half a percent of the federal budget. We could double NASA's budget without making much of a dent elsewhere.

There is a certain logic to establishment Republicans wanting the party to fracture. In the short term, it would leave Republicans hopelessly divided and allow the Democrats to sweep elections, yes. But how long do you suppose that situation would remain in place before the Democrats, no longer having a powerful Republican adversary they need to rally against, would succumb to their own intra-party bickering and split apart as well? Establishment Republicans may be planning to tear down both parties as they exist now and build a new party, more tailored to their interests, out of the wreckage.
If the Republican party collapses and the Democratic party splits, then the two new parties that rise up out of that are almost certainly going to be one "centrist" (comprising the moderate members of both former parties) and one "leftist" (comprising the Bernie Sanders-esque progressive wing of the Democrats). Most Republicans would not want to see that happen. The ones that are okay with a moderate center-right stance have largely already defected to the Democrats, since they've been pushed out of the Republican party for being insufficiently conservative by Tea Party standards.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#114439: Mar 4th 2016 at 1:05:04 PM

What about three parties rising from the ashes?

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#114440: Mar 4th 2016 at 1:05:47 PM

[up] What's the third Party?

Keep Rolling On
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#114441: Mar 4th 2016 at 1:07:53 PM

[up][up]FPTP means that two of the parties will come to dominate.

The only way I can see an effective three-party system is if the new parties decide to cordon sanitaire the racist Trump voters from their platforms and tell them to make their own party.

edited 4th Mar '16 1:08:22 PM by Ramidel

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#114442: Mar 4th 2016 at 1:11:54 PM

[up] With blackjack... And hookers... On second thought forget the blackjack.

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#114443: Mar 4th 2016 at 1:15:21 PM

[up][up]Pretty much. We won't get more than two parties in the US without getting rid of FPTP voting first.

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#114444: Mar 4th 2016 at 1:15:33 PM

NASA's budget is miniscule on the national scale. This year it's about 19 billion. The total federal budget is 4 trillion. NASA is less than half a percent of the federal budget. We could double NASA's budget without making much of a dent elsewhere.

But to what benefit? In what way can rockets we send to Mars positively influence our economy, military, international standing, etc.? We only started the space program in the first place because we couldn't shoot guns at the Soviet Union so we needed to find other ways to prove our dicks were bigger than theirs.

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#114445: Mar 4th 2016 at 1:17:12 PM

I do think space exploration just for more knowledge about the universe has its own value, but I would agree that it's mostly a luxury enterprise.

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#114446: Mar 4th 2016 at 1:18:24 PM

Space travel has a notable positive impact on the economy, and NASA invents a lot of stuff. In addition, space travel can be used for military purposes and in the future could be used to do things like asteroid mining (though IMO that's more of a private sector thing).

Aside from the practical benefit, I think it helps culturally to unify the country around something. Which is why I think that the government should be funding NASA a lot.

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#114448: Mar 4th 2016 at 1:20:30 PM

The R&D that goes into space exploration actually ends up trickling down into the rest of society.

MRI machines, velcro, smoke detectors, microchips, teflon, most modern firefighting equipment, highway design, anti icing systems for aircraft, numerous forms of chemical detection, the entire process of freeze drying food, memory foam, and tons of other things.

The amount of everyday objects that are here because of NASA's research is mind boggling.

Oh really when?
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#114449: Mar 4th 2016 at 1:22:08 PM

[up]Actually, Velcro, Teflon, and Freeze-Drying were not invented by NASA.

edited 4th Mar '16 1:22:15 PM by Protagonist506

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#114450: Mar 4th 2016 at 1:22:22 PM

Huh. Our Soviet-shaming space dick has had a larger social impact than I thought.

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