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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#114401: Mar 4th 2016 at 7:07:16 AM

I hope there's some sort of bulletproof enclosure he can speak from.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#114402: Mar 4th 2016 at 7:24:32 AM

Eh, I've met Republicans who would never ever vote for him (indeed, they'd vote Trump before him, which is another reason I'm happy to see Clinton take the lead), but they otherwise like him personally.

"Wouldn't vote for him, but I might have a beer with him".

Besides, Sanders has gone before conservative audiences before and come out okay.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#114403: Mar 4th 2016 at 7:26:39 AM

I like ol' grumpy grampa. He is cool.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#114404: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:38:41 AM

Rachel Maddow was on Fallon the other night and she brought up something interesting. Any possibility of this? 'Cause I would love it if the GOP just flat out said, "No, we're not going to nominate you, Trump, no matter how much support you have."

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#114405: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:40:21 AM

Well Romney and Mitch McConnell have been talking about that rather extensively.

It would mean the immediate destruction of the Republican party and Trump likely going independent but I do think it would be the best thing in the long run if we cut Trump and his supporters out of politics entirely.

edited 4th Mar '16 8:40:30 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#114406: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:43:28 AM

The problem is that those people have votes, and they represent a very influential and very vocal bloc. Without them, the GOP would have died long before now.

edited 4th Mar '16 8:43:38 AM by Fighteer

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#114407: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:43:54 AM

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It would mean the immediate destruction of the Republican party and Trump likely going independent but I do think it would be the best thing in the long run if we cut Trump and his supporters out of politics entirely.

Do you mean removing their right to vote?

[down]

Does that include racists who are also in a minority group?

edited 4th Mar '16 8:45:24 AM by Greenmantle

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#114408: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:44:17 AM

Not to imply that the Democrats don't have their own shaky alliances too: a lot of minorities would probably vote conservative due to their religious backgrounds, etc, if it weren't clear that the conservative party openly hates them.

I think the big takeaway conclusion is this: racists are easy to pander to. They are also electoral poison, and overall not worth the trouble.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
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#114409: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:49:39 AM

But if you don't pander to them, they join whichever party will. It's kind of a lose-lose.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#114410: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:50:29 AM

While it's tempting to elect The Terminator, I don't remember him doing a very good job governing California

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#114411: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:57:53 AM

Question: In the US, is it possible under some form of law to completely ban and remove a political party/candidate if it is considered to do considerable harm to the country?

edited 4th Mar '16 8:58:14 AM by TerminusEst

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#114412: Mar 4th 2016 at 9:00:39 AM

[up][up]Would be interesting for international relations.

[up][up][up]It's a Prisoner's Dilemma, but the best thing is to leave them stew in their own party. BNP, FN, Swedish Democrats... let them do their own thing, and let the grownups talk together.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#114413: Mar 4th 2016 at 9:18:36 AM

Question: In the US, is it possible under some form of law to completely ban and remove a political party/candidate if it is considered to do considerable harm to the country?

I haven't looked it up, but I very much doubt it. Who would decide that anyway? That defeats the whole point of democracy. If people think someone is dangerous to the country then they wouldn't vote for them. And if the majority of states disagree, well, sucks to be the country. It's not like the President really has all that much power anyway though, as I'm sure Obama would lament.

As for the parties themselves, the primaries aren't technically part of the election. They're just the party deciding among itself who to push for (using rules it made up on the spot), thereby creating a united front that actually stands a chance of winning a general election. Technically any of these candidates could decide to run for president on their own, they just wouldn't have the support of a major party and it's considered common wisdom that third party candidates never stand a chance. And it's not like the parties are established by law either, they just formed naturally due to politicking.

edited 4th Mar '16 9:20:27 AM by Clarste

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#114414: Mar 4th 2016 at 9:20:58 AM

And it's not like the parties are established by law either, they just formed naturally due to politicking.

I have a question about that - in Canada the parties are legal entity, your party need to be registered to Election Canada, etc... While there's no law saying "There shall be X parties" there's laws governing what a party is and how it forms and how it's recognized.

Don't the USA have that?

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#114415: Mar 4th 2016 at 9:28:04 AM

I don't think it does? I've never heard of anything like that, and a brief search indicates that it's considered extremely informal compared to other countries.

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#114416: Mar 4th 2016 at 9:31:45 AM

I don't know if there is any kind of registration requirement to form a political party. There are formal rules for ballot entry in each state, but other than that it's pretty much a free game.

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#114417: Mar 4th 2016 at 9:44:45 AM

Are the rules though law or just rules set by the party in each state?

I'm intrigued by this. You guys have such a convoluted yet freeform system. o_O

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#114418: Mar 4th 2016 at 9:44:52 AM

Just asking, since we have the "Protection of the Republic Act". It's been used a few times to ban fascists and radical leftists (1932-1935 and 1939-1947). Although it can only be enacted temporarily.

edited 4th Mar '16 9:45:43 AM by TerminusEst

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#114419: Mar 4th 2016 at 9:50:15 AM

I think the idea is that it would be covered by the Constitutional limitations on the President's power.

Are the rules though law or just rules set by the party in each state?

I'm intrigued by this. You guys have such a convoluted yet freeform system. o_O

Each state creates its own voting laws for the general election, through their state legislature. The party creates its own voting rules for the primaries though, because as I mentioned the primaries aren't really an official election at all.

edited 4th Mar '16 9:58:07 AM by Clarste

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#114420: Mar 4th 2016 at 10:15:37 AM

But why though...You guys do need more government.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#114421: Mar 4th 2016 at 10:17:21 AM

NO! Big Government is bad! Too many departments that don't do any good!

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#114422: Mar 4th 2016 at 10:17:25 AM

No, they need better government, more taxes, and less tax money going to corporate cronies.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#114423: Mar 4th 2016 at 10:18:49 AM

We've been taxed enough already! Why should my money go to people who don't do anything ?

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#114424: Mar 4th 2016 at 10:27:36 AM

Taxes are forever.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#114425: Mar 4th 2016 at 10:33:14 AM

You must be one of them evil dirty-commie lovers, with your proper proportional taxation and respect for human rights and whatnot. Well, we don't take too kindly with your kind around here, mister.


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