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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#114376: Mar 3rd 2016 at 10:40:02 PM

I do wonder when the business Republicans will finally crack and realise that there's only one way to win the White House, remove the "natural born" bit from the requirements to run and run Schwarzenegger.

I'm not gonna lie, "President Schwarzenegger" does have a nice ring to it.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#114377: Mar 3rd 2016 at 10:40:20 PM

The odds of Trump doing that without the JCS disposing of him are nonexistent though.

edited 3rd Mar '16 10:41:28 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#114378: Mar 3rd 2016 at 10:43:11 PM

It wouldn't be hard for them to do it legally either, the JCS would simply resign stating their oath to refuse illegal orders, the public outcry would then push the House and Senate to impeach Trump or a face national riots.

[up][up] Exactly, and that ring might be enough. Plus who else is there? The Roeublicans are out of runnable governors, the senate class of 2010 are about to loose their seats, why do they run?

edited 3rd Mar '16 10:51:22 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#114379: Mar 3rd 2016 at 10:48:33 PM

Do we know who the current Joint Chiefs of Staff are?

I'm worried they might be inclined to think putting the squeeze on Mexico would be a good idea "in the interests of security".

There is also the fact of ICE's current status. They are a law, customs and immigration enforcement agency, not a military group, meaning if Trump drastically increases their capabilities and powers, without changing their affiliation, it would mean no matter how many Waffen ICE units exist, they would technically be customs officers / law enforcers.

Thus, Trump would legally be able to do some very nasty, very skeevy shit to Sanctuary Cities and the Mexican border areas.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#114380: Mar 3rd 2016 at 10:52:28 PM

If Trump started trying to create his own 'civilian' military arm outside of the control of the JCS that'd be an even more surefire way to get them to riot.

edited 3rd Mar '16 10:57:34 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Cronosonic (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#114381: Mar 3rd 2016 at 11:23:23 PM

I think there's been speculation that Jeb's own son is gonna be a potential candidate for a later election, but if he's just as ineffectual as his dad...

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#114382: Mar 3rd 2016 at 11:24:11 PM

Seems I missed a hell of a show. Not sure if I regret it or not....

Again, I think the only way the GOP establishment saves themselves is by falling on their sword and not bothering to seriously compete in this election.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#114383: Mar 3rd 2016 at 11:32:35 PM

[up][up] The Bush name is too messy, maybe 12-16 years from now after a new Bush has worked their way up the ladder, but it'll take time.

[up] Sure, but this isn't the end, they need to work out who to run after this, even once Trump looses the current splintering won't stop. After Kasich the governor with the best odds in a general is probably Rauner, the senate clearly doesn't have any electable candidates, so what leaves who for the establishment to train up?

Edit: They can't even dig up any Regans, the adopted son from the first marriage Michael is fucking nuts (having called on air for people to be killed) and the son from Nancy is an atheist Dmeocrat who is backing Sanders, one daughter is dead and the other one isn't in politics.

Edit 2: Man I kinda want Ron Regan to run run for office as a Democrat, just because of how much it would make the Republicans explode.

Edit 3: Aww apparently he won't run because Americans won't elect an atheist. Fuck it, could he be the Dem VP candidate? Just for shits and giggles?

edited 3rd Mar '16 11:47:06 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#114384: Mar 3rd 2016 at 11:59:34 PM

You know, America and Canada should merge and become the Large United North American Republic. Or: LUNAR. It'd be awesome.
I support this. Former-Canada can be the polite velvet glove, former-US can be the belligerent mailed fist. They get pizza, we get maple syrup, we can both get cool new moon-themed iconography.

I'm not gonna lie, "President Schwarzenegger" does have a nice ring to it.
Fair warning, that timeline leads to Demolition Man.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#114385: Mar 4th 2016 at 12:04:16 AM

[up] President Schwarzenegger actually leads to The Simpsons Movie. tongue

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#114386: Mar 4th 2016 at 12:17:26 AM

That too. But what's one domed city versus the sweeping societal changes documented in Demolition Man? They think ad jingles are good music, people.

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#114387: Mar 4th 2016 at 12:49:38 AM

Kasich signed a law preventing rape crisis counsellors from suggesting abortions to their clients. If he hadn't been so comprehensively rejected by his party in these primaries, I'd be pretty scared of him putting a 'moderate', electable sheen on some of the most nightmarish aspects of Republican policy.

What's precedent ever done for us?
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#114388: Mar 4th 2016 at 12:51:09 AM

Apparently Kasich thinks Finland and Sweden are in NATO. Or he doesn't and still wants to arm them against Russia.

Why is he still in this race again?

edited 4th Mar '16 1:05:52 AM by TerminusEst

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#114389: Mar 4th 2016 at 12:56:51 AM

Supposedly he thinks he might be able to take a sizable portion of the Rust Belt/Mid West for w/e reason.

Alternatively, deny Trump the 51% of the Delegates, so Mitt can become President instead?

edited 4th Mar '16 12:57:10 AM by PotatoesRock

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#114390: Mar 4th 2016 at 1:33:34 AM

He did get his facts on Sweden and Finland right, he said that they're not NATO, but he wants to arm them and Ukraine against Russia and bring them all under US protection.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#114391: Mar 4th 2016 at 1:53:58 AM

Arnold Schwarzenegger is one of the old-breed Republicans who the modern party has left behind. That said, I imagine he could make a solid showing running for either party, and I'd be okay with him as President. Wouldn't vote for him over Hillary or Sanders, but would be okay with him.

Sadly, he never really managed to inspire a strong Amend for Arnold platform, despite being the one guy who could get both Democratic and Republican support for it.

In other news, Romney seems to be fully shaking the Etch-A-Sketch and bringing out the Governor of Massachusetts to wield against Trump. I wonder if he actually thinks the convention will split the party.

edited 4th Mar '16 2:03:24 AM by Ramidel

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#114392: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:11:19 AM

That is the growing fear among the Establishment, that Trump one way or another is going to walk off with 25~40% of the party and form... something else.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#114393: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:20:04 AM

Fear? No. That's a possible plan. Have the Republican establishment throw the race to Clinton as a means of making clear that Trump and Trump voters are not welcome, and thus saving the Republican Party's viability in the long term.

edited 4th Mar '16 2:20:39 AM by Ramidel

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#114394: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:33:11 AM

There are plenty of people who won't vote for Drumpf, but will vote for a Republican, and I would be very impressed and just plain surprised if the party openly separates those two things. After all, it comes with quite a risk.

Deliberately throwing the election to Clinton (despite inevitable claims that they didn't), could create a "something else" that stays a perpetual thorn in their side, or maybe even supersedes them. Especially if it's seen as a money-motivated move, which would naturally have repercussions on the Democrat side as well.

Not to mention it would be a very clear sign that the establishment couldn't quite take the hint that some liberal policies are very popular with Republicans. Though to what extent those liberal policies were carried by his other unacceptable views, or vice-versa, is something that should probably be looked at.

And of course, if Sanders actually gets the nomination, then all bets are off.

edited 4th Mar '16 2:35:54 AM by Eschaton

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#114395: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:35:42 AM

[up][up][up]The Gramerican Party? The Coffee Party? The First Part First Party?

"Ah, you kidder! There ain't no Sanity Clause!"

edited 4th Mar '16 2:36:37 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#114397: Mar 4th 2016 at 4:52:26 AM

Fear? No. That's a possible plan. Have the Republican establishment throw the race to Clinton as a means of making clear that Trump and Trump voters are not welcome, and thus saving the Republican Party's viability in the long term.

What long term? Doing that would kill them off immediately. The current two party system only exists because both sides have managed to create alliances that give them both a fighting chance each election cycle. Without those alliances, both sides of the split become effectively third party candidates with no hope of winning anything, ever (assuming the Democrats don't split too). It wouldn't be conceding a single election, it'd be conceding all elections for the indefinite future, unless they have a specific plan to get back those voters or some replacement.

The Republican party absolutely needs those socially conservative voters because, quite frankly, it's difficult to make fiscal conservatism popular with the same people it exploits. Making it clear that those voters are "not welcome" in the Republican party would be an apocalyptic move for them.

edited 4th Mar '16 5:00:42 AM by Clarste

Cronosonic (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#114398: Mar 4th 2016 at 4:57:51 AM

Yep. The GOP made their bed, and they have to sleep in it. They simply can't win - either they let Trump proceed with an election he can't possibly win (he can appeal to the base, but he'll crash and burn with the non-hardcore supporters) or reject him to preserve the 'purity' of the GOP, and end up tearing the party in half and make it impossible to win the White House for the forseeable future, and perhaps even lose the Senate and Congress over time.

edited 4th Mar '16 5:01:17 AM by Cronosonic

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#114399: Mar 4th 2016 at 5:13:12 AM

Not to imply that the Democrats don't have their own shaky alliances too: a lot of minorities would probably vote conservative due to their religious backgrounds, etc, if it weren't clear that the conservative party openly hates them.

edited 4th Mar '16 5:13:59 AM by Clarste

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#114400: Mar 4th 2016 at 7:06:01 AM

That's actually probably going to be pretty interesting. I'd certainly like to see how Sanders deals with a hostile audience. It's going to be an hour long and starts at 6:00 PM Eastern on Monday, for those who didn't follow the link.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

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