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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#114101: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:08:06 AM

That doesn't exactly equal a media machine as people typically think of it.

Also, what was the story behind that, I'm pretty sure that was some of her supporters who started the whole "secret Muslim"thing and not her campaign itself. Anyone remember exactly how that went?

edited 2nd Mar '16 10:08:35 AM by LSBK

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#114102: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:12:33 AM

[up] Enjoy. This includes the story behind that and so much more.

It's quite a read, I assure you. I think this here will make the most fitting preview:

By May, after most observers had already concluded that Barack Obama had clinched the Democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton was still trying to undermine his candidacy by arguing that he wasn’t getting enough support from white voters. She put that argument in the most explicit terms yet: “There was just an AP article posted that found how Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans is weakening again, and how the, you know, whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me … I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on.” Clinton’s comments not only made the case that a Black candidate could not appeal to white voters; they also played on nasty stereotypes about Black people and other people of color by equating “white Americans” with “hard-working Americans.”

Now who's white-centric again?

edited 2nd Mar '16 10:16:27 AM by Luminosity

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#114103: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:19:15 AM

Besides the whole "appealing to white voters" thing, something I already knew about, most of that just sounds like the writer stating their own interpretation of things and calling it facts or her, frankly, campaigning and trying to win. Not the nicest thing ever but nothing mind blowing.

edited 2nd Mar '16 10:23:17 AM by LSBK

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#114104: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:19:28 AM

Yeah, Hillary sucks. Sanders has some shitty supporters. But either one of them would be infinitely better than Trump or Cruz or Rubio.

I'll vote for Hillary in a heartbeat if Sanders doesn't get the nomination, and I'd hope that most people would do the same.

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#114105: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:23:33 AM

Besides the whole "appealing to white voters" thing, something I already knew about, most of that just sounds like the writer stating their own interpretation of things and calling it facts or her, frankly, campaigning and trying to win. Not the nicest thing ever but nothing mind blowing.

The writer didn't put the words in her mouth, every quote is fact-checked and sourced.

"Trying to win" like that is bad enough and quite frankly, it speaks for itself.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#114106: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:29:49 AM

To beat a dead horse, although Clinton's supporters were awful during the 2008 elections (one of several reasons why the DNC needs to draw DWS), Sanders is basically saying the same thing as Clinton was in that article.

Sanders frequently talks about how terrible it is that the Democratic Party has lost white, working class voters and he wants to win them back by focusing on economic issues (which I interpret to mean not talking about racial and social issues).

I tend to call B.S. on this because while I'm sure "The Big Banks" (TM) are bad, the problems associated with them are pretty attenuated from things like racial inequality, police brutality, gay rights, women's rights, granting amnesty to illegal immigrants, etc.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#114107: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:30:42 AM

@ Luminosity: Here's an interesting question — do you think Sanders should be more left-wing?

edited 2nd Mar '16 10:35:07 AM by Greenmantle

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#114108: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:34:31 AM

I'm confused as to why black people seem to so overwhelmingly trust Clinton over Sanders. Didn't Sanders protest segregation and march with Martin Luther King during the Civil Rights era? What is Clinton doing to posit herself as better for racial minorities?

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#114109: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:35:51 AM

He did, although Clinton was also involved in civil rights advocacy when younger.

Speaking for myself (not African American, but Jewish), I'd guess it's because of a combination of "knowing" the Clintons and not knowing Sanders. And speaking personally, the fact that Sanders talks about the tragedy of the Democratic party losing white voters and prioritizes economic issues over racial ones seems like a good reason not to vote for him if you aren't white (it's why I'm not going to vote for him).

edited 2nd Mar '16 10:38:36 AM by Hodor2

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#114110: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:36:35 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]No they didn't put words in her mouth but they did choice to interpret some innocuous statements as "Yes, he's secretly an evil Muslim, vote for me." Which is fine for them, just don't treat it as a definite thing.

As I think I need to clear something up, I don't have a particular problem with you preferring Sanders over Clinton, I actually voted for him in the primary yesterday. But just because you prefer one doesn't mean you have to paint the other as evil-incarnate. I understand you have legit concerns but a lot of what you say comes off as really hyperbolic and unhelpful.

[up][up]I wonder about that too. It mostly seems to be older black people from where I am.

edited 2nd Mar '16 10:38:22 AM by LSBK

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
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#114112: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:42:44 AM

Well, that would be why Ron Paul has called Sanders the most pro-free market candidate, maybe...

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Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#114113: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:47:51 AM

No they didn't put words in her mouth but they did choice to interpret some innocuous statements as "Yes, he's secretly an evil Muslim, vote for me." Which is fine for them, just don't treat it as a definite thing.

Do you seriously think those statements are "innocuous"? Really?

Here's an interesting question — do you think Sanders should be more left-wing?

You've already asked me that. I've already answered it.

I tend to call B.S. on this because while I'm sure "The Big Banks" (TM) are bad, the problems associated with them are pretty attenuated from things like racial inequality, police brutality, gay rights, women's rights, granting amnesty to illegal immigrants, etc.

The assumption that campaign reform and fucking income inequality are white-centric is pretty damn racist in itself, you know.

(which I interpret to mean not talking about racial and social issues).

Well, your interpretation is, frankly, wrong.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#114114: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:49:16 AM

I think at this rate, you're gonna see GOP people endorse Clinton to spite Trump.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#114115: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:50:26 AM

[up][up]Not all of them, no, but some parts of that article came off as the author getting a bit ahead of themselves.

edited 2nd Mar '16 10:52:46 AM by LSBK

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#114116: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:52:34 AM

EDIT- Was not directed at me.

edited 2nd Mar '16 10:52:50 AM by FFShinra

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#114117: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:57:12 AM

Cruz might have a tiny prayer if Rubio and Kasich dropped out before Ohio and Florida. Might. And that's not going to happen.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
darksidevoid Anti-Gnosis Weapon from The Frontiers (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#114118: Mar 2nd 2016 at 10:57:34 AM

which I interpret to mean not talking about racial and social issues

I wouldn't take it to mean that at all. Overall, the Democratic Party has decided to focus on racial and social issues as a means of motivating the base, whether stirring up fear of the Republican actions on those issues or otherwise, and has also been using that as a crutch to avoid having to actually talk about, explain, or otherwise put forth effort on the economic issues. Sanders simply puts considerable value on both rather than putting all his eggs in the racial-and-social-issues basket.

while I'm sure "The Big Banks" (TM) are bad, the problems associated with them are pretty attenuated from things like [racial and social issues]

The message isn't so much that big banks alone are bad, but that it's bad that wealth overall is concentrated to such a small percentage of people, whether due to banks or otherwise. And they're not exactly attenuated from racial and social issues when dog-whistle attitudes on racial and social issues are what are used as wedges to avoid having to do anything about economic inequality and other maldistribution of resources. "You may be poor as hell, but at least you're not [group x]!" or "You may be poor as hell, but we need to overlook the economic views of our candidate this time (again) to prevent the other Party from doing [doomful thing y on issue x]!" and so on and so forth.

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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#114119: Mar 2nd 2016 at 11:10:53 AM

Sanders: African-Americans lost half their wealth because of Wall Street collapse

Sen. Bernie Sanders says by addressing economic inequality, he would also correct racial injustices.

Sanders railed against Wall Street in his response to a question about race relations in the Feb. 11 Democratic debate in Milwaukee, Wis.

"Turns out that the African-American community and Latino community were hit especially hard," Sanders said. "As I understand it, the African-American community lost half of their wealth as a result of the Wall Street collapse."

That claim stood out to us. Is it true that black wealth was slashed so dramatically as a result of the financial crisis?

Sanders understood correctly. His campaign referred us to a 2013 report from the National Association of Real Estate Brokers.

"According to the report, African-Americans have lost over half of their wealth since the beginning of the recession through falling homeownership rates and loss of jobs," it reads.

Voter turnout in the Super Tuesday states is not looking good for Democrats:

  • Oklahoma: Democrats [down]25%, Republicans [up]35%
  • Tennessee: Democrats [down]41%, Republicans [up]50%
  • Texas: Democrats [down]52%, Republicans [up]74%
  • Vermont: Democrats [down]16%, Republicans [up]42%
  • Virgina: Democrats [down]21%, Republicans [up]107%

https://twitter.com/regwilliams_set/status/705093010845925376

edited 2nd Mar '16 11:11:19 AM by SolipsistOwl

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#114120: Mar 2nd 2016 at 11:11:05 AM

Updated DELEGATE COUNT

Trump - 319

Cruz - 226

Rubio - 110

Kasich - 25

Carson - 8

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#114122: Mar 2nd 2016 at 11:18:39 AM

...but he's still staying in the race?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#114123: Mar 2nd 2016 at 11:25:35 AM

Isn't his entire campaign just a way to get book/Fox News deals? And possibly a poorly disguised attempt to defraud donations?

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#114124: Mar 2nd 2016 at 11:29:39 AM

Ben Carson suspends campaign

The jig is up, the news is out, they finally found him ♪

I wonder how fast his Super PA Cs vanish into the ether to a country that conveniently doesn't have an extradition treaty with the U.S.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#114125: Mar 2nd 2016 at 12:03:15 PM

Does Sanders have a chance now, with the results of Super Tuesday out

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes

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