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A procrastination in of itself
#113776: Feb 29th 2016 at 5:22:11 PM

[up] But how does that translate into racism? It's not liking voting for Hillary means they must be black.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#113777: Feb 29th 2016 at 5:33:44 PM

At the very least, I think it shows a certain degree of tone-deafness from that particular Sanders supporter. Whether it's a symptom of a larger problem is up for debate, although I do think that there are definitely some racist Sanders supporters.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#113778: Feb 29th 2016 at 5:35:17 PM

@Le Garcon: IIRC, Stalin shot people for not clapping long enough at his speeches, which is petty and disproportionate even by Trump standards (though, to be fair, it isn't implausible that this is just Pragmatic Villainy on Trump's part. Contrary to his tasteless joke, he probably would lose voters if he actually shot someone).

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#113779: Feb 29th 2016 at 5:47:48 PM

The notion that Sanders voters are somehow uniquely bigoted doesn't stand up to any examination.
Emphasis mine; this was my point above. The only person running with uniquely bigoted followers is Trump. The odds of everyone else (including Hillary) having zero racist followers is lower than my odds of winning the next billion in Powerball.
Clarence Thomas asks questions during Supreme Court arguments for first time in a decade
Is he trying to step up and be Scalia now? Hoping for some of those million-dollar paid vacations?
Trump could blow Republicans the fuck out this year on the State Level and Congressional Levels.
the point is, I don't trust Trump with the nukes.
... Actually, on second thought, I trust Trump with them far more than Cruz. I trust Rubio more than Trump, at least until someone posts his source code online.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#113780: Feb 29th 2016 at 6:08:36 PM

The problem with the "Berniebro" subgroup is, as I said, that they're extremely loud, tech-savvy, and very good at internet flash mobs - they can "organize" quite well through leaderless memes. (I use "organize" in the same sense I would use it for Anonymous - they're capable of speaking and acting together despite not having a leader or a canon.) Which makes them very good at tainting Bernie's message with their racism - Bernie can disavow them all he wants because they don't care about whether Bernie wants them around.

In other news, Clarence Thomas actually spoke on the bench, and almost as unusually, he came up with a reasonably strong question/argument: "Okay, are you trying to support a lifetime gun ban for a single misdemeanor assault offense?"

Speaking as someone who's unusually pro-gun for this forum, that's a cogent question even if it is domestic violence. (Of course, allowing a felony option for charging domestic assailants would be the coherent way to deal with this.)

edited 29th Feb '16 6:09:58 PM by Ramidel

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#113781: Feb 29th 2016 at 6:24:41 PM

I never knew that Obama boys were a thing, but then I'm smart enough to steer clear of reddit for political discourse.

Also, it seems like it's a couple of Sanders supporters here who started making a big deal out of the whole Bernie bros thing, because before that I recall it coming up once in response to Sanders' telling them to stop being assholes. So uh... yeah I don't think this thread was actually making a big deal out of this particular issue? Unless I missed it.

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Anti-Gnosis Weapon
#113782: Feb 29th 2016 at 7:04:58 PM

I don't think this thread was actually making a big deal out of this particular issue?

It wasn't to start with, really. I just brought up the fact that it's a rehash of a 2008 attack a couple pages ago because people had repeatedly mentioned the pseudo-phenomenon of "Berniebros" on the page before that and I thought it would be good to point out as a matter of keeping people informed. After that, someone brought up the probably-racist phone call as reported by somebody on Yahoo, and presented that as "evidence in the wild" to rebut the article I'd linked, and after that we spiraled off into the racism discussion.

But the thread wasn't making a big deal of it beforehand, yes.

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#113783: Feb 29th 2016 at 7:09:25 PM

I don't even know if it's a "phenomenon". All I know is that there are some Sanders supporters that are real assholes.

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Anti-Gnosis Weapon
#113784: Feb 29th 2016 at 7:27:41 PM

Very true. Also true of every Presidential campaign's supporters, unfortunately. The nearly inherent tribalism of politics tends to drag out the worst, most assholish elements of any given voter base. It would be wrong, however, to conflate that with a majority - or even a substantial portion - of any candidate's support without data, which the "berniebro" notion as popularized and promulgated by the punditocracy does.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#113785: Feb 29th 2016 at 7:36:47 PM

I don't think anyone's claiming it's a majority. I think what they are claiming is that supporters of this nature, if they are numerous enough and vocal enough, could alienate many potential voters.

Quite a few people seem to think that Sanders has stumbled a bit on race relations, and while some think he's recovered and is trying to improve on that front, this sort of thing only makes that problem worse.

edited 29th Feb '16 7:38:26 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#113786: Feb 29th 2016 at 8:07:52 PM

New York ruled against the FBI in the apple iphone case. Note that this is a seperate case from the one associated with San Bernardino. Its strangely ironic that the FBI is trying to do something in the name of security that will only make us less secure

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#113787: Feb 29th 2016 at 9:00:17 PM

Apparently Trump kicked some black students out of one of his rallies. They weren't even protesters, they were just there because it was happening at their college and were probably interested in what he had to say.

http://gawker.com/donald-trump-requested-that-a-group-of-black-students-b-1762064789

Know-age Since: May, 2010
#113788: Feb 29th 2016 at 9:09:50 PM

Trump Tales: that time he disqualified two Ms universe contestants for being mixed race.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#113789: Feb 29th 2016 at 9:36:15 PM

[up]"It's not about racism, it's about celebrating purity of diversity in the universe".

Wow, that actually sounds like something some of the villainous factions in the game I'm making would say. In fact, I might actually use that.

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rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#113790: Feb 29th 2016 at 9:42:00 PM

From the Ms. America link:

Activists immediately criticized Trump, a Republican, and accused him of racism. Trump responded by saying that “this is not about racism. Rather, it is about celebrating the purity of diversity in our universe.”
The purity of diversity? What the shit does that even mean?

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#113791: Feb 29th 2016 at 9:42:28 PM

Segregation

Oh really when?
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#113792: Feb 29th 2016 at 9:48:01 PM

It's a bunch of almost meaningless buzzwords suggesting that Trump believes that different races shouldn't mix ever. Or at least that mixed race women should never compete in any beauty contest he hosts.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#113793: Feb 29th 2016 at 9:49:52 PM

What Le Garcon said. I think what Trump's trying to say is that he wants pageant competitors to ethnically represent the nation they come from to protect that nation's "image". This is still hella racist in its own way, though.

Leviticus 19:34
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#113794: Feb 29th 2016 at 9:52:12 PM

Yeah, basically.

Can't have a Ms. Japan be only half-Japanese, now can we? That can't possibly be accurate. And why can't we be both diverse and pure? That should make people on both sides happy!

It actually fits with his political stance, pushing for an America for Americans note , similar to right-wing groups in other countries.

edited 29th Feb '16 9:56:02 PM by Eschaton

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#113796: Mar 1st 2016 at 12:48:11 AM

I'm counting the days until we can attempt to vote that moron out of office.

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#113797: Mar 1st 2016 at 12:56:36 AM

I don't think anyone's claiming it's a majority. I think what they are claiming is that supporters of this nature, if they are numerous enough and vocal enough, could alienate many potential voters.

They are claiming that they are numerous, and unique to Bernie, conveniently never talking about bigotry from Clinton supporters, as if it doesn't exist. Notice how many people here only refer to Bernie supporters as "Berniebros", in any context.

Two can play at this game. If some random anecdotal evidence is enough for this smear(and for the ridiculous "Trump crossover" thing taken at face value here for some reason), I can claim a significant number of Clinton supportives are exactly like Nihlus - right-wingers voting for her to hold back progress. And that they, if it comes down to Sanders vs Trump, might rather vote the latter. Makes as much sense. I'm gonna come up with a vaguely demeaning term for these, say, Clintontrumps, and then despite totally not claiming they're a majority, I'm going to only use this term whenever I mention Clinton supporters.

Fact checking? Who needs fact checking?

edited 1st Mar '16 1:16:04 AM by Luminosity

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#113799: Mar 1st 2016 at 4:02:14 AM

Not a bad strategy, I'd say.

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Anti-Gnosis Weapon
#113800: Mar 1st 2016 at 4:18:36 AM

Indeed. Very smart move on Warren's part.

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