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#113601: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:07:26 AM

When you add it all up, from the DNC's attempt to coronate Clinton, to the superdelegates, to the excommunication of dissenters, it lends a lot of weight to Sanders' claim to be representing a revolution not just in terms of politics but in terms of ethics.

edited 28th Feb '16 9:07:33 AM by Fighteer

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#113602: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:18:39 AM

Damnit DNC I'm trying to support Clinton but you're not making it easy

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#113603: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:23:34 AM

Also Sanders is now a Dem I believe, as he's looking to run under the Dem ticket. Plus it's not like DNC members can't back Sanders, 12 DNC super delegates are backing Bernie in the primary.

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#113604: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:31:52 AM

Why would we expect the superdelegates to act in any other way? Sanders is not a longtime member of the Democratic Party. He is an independent seeking the Democrat nomination, after years of being an independent senator. His only real political connection to them is that he is ideologically close to the left of the Democrats and he caucuses with them in the Senate.

The superdelegates have absolutely no reason to support him, and yet people act like it is some grand conspiracy when they don't.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#113605: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:36:44 AM

At this rate we're gonna get a whole new party. Or parties if the GOP ever realizes they're sundered for good.

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#113606: Feb 28th 2016 at 10:13:02 AM

I was pointing out the fact that 12 do as proof that they can if they want and that as such the resignation of someone who wants to support Bernie is not required.

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#113607: Feb 28th 2016 at 10:14:02 AM

Like I've said, the parties' voters are shifting towards more extreme, ideological viewpoints and are willing to tear systems down from the inside to get their way. The only thing keeping the Sanders supporters from going third-party is the threat of the Republicans winning, and the Republicans look to be on the verge of collapse.

edited 28th Feb '16 10:25:52 AM by GameGuruGG

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#113608: Feb 28th 2016 at 10:50:05 AM

Are they trying to lose elections over ideological purity? That's supposed to be what Republicans do, not Democrats!
Yes.

The DWS/Clinton led DNC wants to put all the power of the Dem Party in the presidency, and rot the Legislative and State House arm of the party, to keep potential rivals to the Clinton and her camp from emerging and challenging the Neo Lib status quo.

The superdelegates have absolutely no reason to support him, and yet people act like it is some grand conspiracy when they don't.
Pretty much this.

It's not conspiracy, just the current power brokers of the party really REALLY don't want the Neo Liberal party to end.

edited 28th Feb '16 10:51:46 AM by PotatoesRock

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#113609: Feb 28th 2016 at 10:59:12 AM

[up]Clinton may have won the primary in South Carolina yesterday, but Democratic turnout there was down 33% (and Republican turnout up 66%) and the party holds zero state-level offices.

What's the point of winning a state that'll go Republican in the general?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#113610: Feb 28th 2016 at 11:00:48 AM

[up]That it'll help her get the nomination? Isn't that the point of all of this? You might as well ask why they even bother to do this in states everyone knows is going to go Republican or vice versa.

edited 28th Feb '16 11:01:02 AM by LSBK

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#113611: Feb 28th 2016 at 11:01:25 AM

[up][up]

Well, it gives her more delegates for the Convention that will decide whether or not she or Bernie Sanders will become the Democratic nominee for President of the United States. That's useful.

edited 28th Feb '16 11:01:37 AM by Achaemenid

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#113612: Feb 28th 2016 at 11:05:11 AM

I'm not talking about the nomination. This is more than just Sanders vs Clinton. This is the future of the party itself.The DNC has lost any ground that they might have gained under Obama's revolutionary grassroots effort. They've abandoned their traditional demographics and are just banking on their nominee winning the White House.

Clinton only seems to win states that so far have seen much larger turnout from Republicans and will ultimately go Republican in the general election. The DNC has failed at the state level.

They've even recently diverted funds intended for state-level Democratic candidates into Clinton's presidential campaign fund.

edited 28th Feb '16 11:08:20 AM by SolipsistOwl

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#113613: Feb 28th 2016 at 11:11:14 AM

[up] Am I right in sort-of getting the implication that you'd like to see the end of both the Republican and Democrat parties?

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#113614: Feb 28th 2016 at 11:11:58 AM

They've even recently diverted funds intended for state-level Democratic candidates into Clinton's presidential campaign fund.
Grr. If I thought they would listen, I would send an angry e-mail asking why they're abandoning people at the state level.

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#113615: Feb 28th 2016 at 11:17:29 AM

Drown the baby in the bath water.

State Level means Clinton / Debbie Wasserman Schultz rivals.

They don't want rivals. lol. Neo Liberals want to keep the Neo Liberal Party going, cutting their little deals with the Movement Conservative Republicans, until the Heat Death of the Universe.

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#113616: Feb 28th 2016 at 11:21:01 AM

Am I right in sort-of getting the implication that you'd like to see the end of both the Republican and Democrat parties?

In a sense, is that really a bad thing? The Republican party has regressed into nothing, but baseline Nazis, serving as ultimate extensions of their already oppressive, obsolete policies. The Democrat party is deeply rooted in lip service corruption of Corporate Right, and is actively fighting to avoid actually getting on the left again. Are either of them that worth keeping?

edited 28th Feb '16 11:21:15 AM by Luminosity

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#113617: Feb 28th 2016 at 11:26:14 AM

Outside billionaires fuel joint effort between Clinton, Alaska Democrats

The party, in a monthly report filed Friday with the Federal Election Commission, said it raised $43,500 from the Hillary Victory Fund, with $10,000 donations from billionaires, including hedge fund manager S. Donald Sussman and Hyatt hotel heir J.B. Pritzker.

In the same report, the Alaska Democratic Party said it transferred an equal amount of money, $43,500, to the Democratic National Committee — a move that, while legal, helps to effectively “obliterate” federal limits on donations to the national committee, according to one campaign finance expert.

“It just becomes a way to give more to the DNC to support the Clinton campaign,” said Paul S. Ryan, deputy executive director of the Campaign Legal Center, which advocates for campaign finance reform. “It’s effectively Hillary Clinton’s team soliciting Hillary Clinton’s supporters for much bigger checks than they can give to the campaign — knowing that every penny could be spent on the Clinton campaign.”

Clinton donors use Maine Democrats to skirt campaign cash limits

But all the contributions haven’t stayed in Maine, or any of the other state Democratic parties to which Hillary Victory Fund donations have been funneled. Federal Election Commission reports show that the two October and November transfers totaling $39,000 from the Hillary Victory Fund to the Maine Democratic Party each sat for less than 48 hours with the party before the exact same amounts were transferred to the Democratic National Committee, or DNC.

While individual contributions to the state and national parties are capped, transfers between state and national committees are unlimited.

Democrats Are Proving Samuel Alito and John Roberts Wrong: They are engaging in campaign finance machinations the justices once deemed a "wild hypothetical."

A joint fundraising committee linking Hillary Clinton to the national Democratic Party and 33 state parties is routing money through those state parties and back into the coffers of the Democratic National Committee. So far, 22 of the state parties linked to the Hillary Victory Fund have received $938,500 from the fund and sent the same amount back to the DNC, according to available campaign finance records. The Clinton campaign claims to have raised an additional $18 million for the party committees in the final three months of 2015, although records will not be disclosed until Jan. 31.

The movement of money from a joint fundraising committee through state parties and to the national party committee has been criticized by campaign finance reformers as a way to get around campaign contribution limits.

edited 28th Feb '16 11:28:03 AM by SolipsistOwl

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#113618: Feb 28th 2016 at 11:26:41 AM

[up][up]That assumes your analysis of the situation is correct. It isn't.

edited 28th Feb '16 11:26:50 AM by FFShinra

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#113619: Feb 28th 2016 at 11:29:10 AM


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#113620: Feb 28th 2016 at 11:31:28 AM

Two conservative judges were wrong about "hypothetical" campaign financing practices staying hypothetical? Well, yeah. What were they expecting to happen?

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#113621: Feb 28th 2016 at 11:59:30 AM

"At this rate we're gonna get a whole new party."

Another Tea party?

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#113622: Feb 28th 2016 at 12:00:55 PM

[up]The Hot Coco party.

Dude...if I ever start a political party, I should totally call it that.

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#113623: Feb 28th 2016 at 12:09:52 PM

I find it funny how I hear people talk about "Boss Schultz" and how she's corrupt and terrible when she looks like someone's dental hygienist :P

At any rate, I'm still worried about the world ending, but apparently it'll happen regardless of whether a Republican wins or not.

edited 28th Feb '16 12:10:05 PM by ILoveDogs

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Disasturbator
#113624: Feb 28th 2016 at 12:22:14 PM

Boss who?

You might want to elaborate

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#113625: Feb 28th 2016 at 12:29:49 PM

If the Dems take the White House and the Senate this year, then you guys should have dodged the worst of it. You'll be able to swing the balance of the Supreme Court towards you (and prevent civil rights from being dialed back decades) and the GOP, even if it doesn't split in half formally, will be increasingly pressed by demographic shifts. Now that doesn't address the issues at the state level but take what you can get.

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