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Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#113551: Feb 27th 2016 at 6:34:32 PM

@Mystery Man If there has been a Progressive rebirth, Sanders is only its midwife. It would carry on beyond a Clinton nomination, a Sanders presidency, or a Republican civil war.

edited 27th Feb '16 6:35:47 PM by Artificius

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#113552: Feb 27th 2016 at 6:35:20 PM

[up]X3 The hashtag that shall not be named yes, the one that anyone under any identity can use, that has no membership, no criteria, no tests or anything to make it a group anymore then everyone who shouts the same random word on the street is part of a "group".

[up]X2 I think you're going to get the same response all round, a dislike of police abuses of power and guns isn't inherently contradictory, unless you belive that police abuses of power should be responded to with force, rather than with reform of police and the cutting out of racism and corruption from law enforcement.

edited 27th Feb '16 6:40:08 PM by Silasw

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#113553: Feb 27th 2016 at 6:37:13 PM

You know what would be cool? A Civil War in the other sense. "Why, sir, I would never presume to strike you." "But you do stand in my way. What am I to do?" "Stand down, surely!" "I think not. Now move aside, please. I would hate to move you myself."

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#113554: Feb 27th 2016 at 6:39:11 PM

I'd say that sounded like the English version if the actual one wasn't so uncivil.

edited 27th Feb '16 6:40:56 PM by Artificius

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#113555: Feb 27th 2016 at 6:39:13 PM

The Geneva Conventions have gone a long way towards making war much more civil.

@Silaw: I'm not saying I agree with the argument, I'm simply explaining its logic (I actually disagree with it).

edited 27th Feb '16 6:40:26 PM by Protagonist506

Leviticus 19:34
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#113556: Feb 27th 2016 at 6:49:11 PM

A Civil War in the other sense.
... I can absolutely see Deadpool doing this to mock Captain America.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#113557: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:06:35 PM

Poor Americans who want welfare and government aid but value white supremacy above all else.
You're looking for Herrenvolk democracy, most likely. Left Wing except when it comes to social issues.

(NYT) Mitch McConnell plans to have the GOP break explicitly from Trump in the general election, planning to run massively negative ads against the Donald in the general to create space between him and the establishment GOP.

Basically the GOP establishment will denounce their own candidate, preferring Hillary as a status quo of The Evil Overlord Of The Other Side, than let their own party be stolen from them by the Dixiecratic element's Herrenvolkism lead by Trump.

Own party places Shotgun up own mouth.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#113558: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:08:28 PM

That is gonna destroy the Republicans but that's probably the establishment's best chance in the long run.

Oh really when?
storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#113559: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:14:25 PM

But he quickly added that the wealth divide between the rich and poor has been an issue that has "forever been with us — and will forever continue.

Forever been with us... since the 1980s. Seriously, where does this guy live? I guess the .01% bubble has gotten to him.

When people say that their kids will be worse off, there are statistics to validate their concerns. Median wage growth really has been stagnant, and heaven help you if you're trying to get by on minimum wage.

Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's Play
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#113560: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:21:34 PM

[up]Class division is about as old as agriculture. This isn't even the worst it's gotten. For example, during the guilded age.

Leviticus 19:34
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#113561: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:25:54 PM

You do know many political scientists, economists and sociologists call the current conditions "The Second Gilded Age", right?

MysteryMan23 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#113562: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:26:21 PM

[up][up]I agree that class division has been around for a long time. But it's still problematic when it gets too high, and we should do our best as a society to alleviate it.

edited 27th Feb '16 7:26:49 PM by MysteryMan23

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#113563: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:27:05 PM

That's not really relevant when it's a demonstrable fact that it's getting worse. Anybody arguing otherwise is fooling themselves.

GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#113564: Feb 27th 2016 at 8:36:39 PM

I expect breaking explicitly from Trump will just kill the Establishment GOP members' chances of winning future elections. Yes, I believe Trump's viewpoint is more popular among voters than the Establishment GOP would be because if you wanted to be conservative, but aren't a racist, sexist, homophobic jerk... you would be a Clinton Democrat. Sanders is the most liberal of the choices.

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Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#113565: Feb 27th 2016 at 8:41:06 PM

So the establishment are finally abandoning the S.S. Elefante for the S.O.S. Burro? Why now? Why not eight years ago?

And now let's see if the Democrats don't split into a center-right and left set of parties.

edited 27th Feb '16 8:44:19 PM by Artificius

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#113566: Feb 27th 2016 at 8:45:27 PM

And the GOP absorbed the Dem's Herrenvolk/Racist Dixiecrat Wing.

Kind of the general juggling game. Herrenvolk folk are a non-insignificant number of voters but you potentially need them (arguably some of them stomach their racism in favor of economics from the Dems, as long as the minority wings don't squawk too much seems to be part of the Dem coalition's issue.)

He with enough of the Herrenvolks wins American elections, you can't afford to piss them off too much.

So the establishment are finally abandoning the S.S. Elefante for the S.O.S. Burro? Why now? Why not eight years ago?
No, they want to shoot all the Herenvolks on the S.S. Elefante or make them shut up and stop whining.

edited 27th Feb '16 8:46:33 PM by PotatoesRock

Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#113567: Feb 27th 2016 at 8:56:21 PM

Huh, well considering that Romney has apparently been leading the effort against the Herrenvolks according to that article, they'll probably miss at least 47% of them.

edited 27th Feb '16 8:58:31 PM by Artificius

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#113568: Feb 27th 2016 at 9:04:38 PM

Herrenvolk = Dixiecrats and similar whites who want white privilege kept first. In this context, Left Wing Economic Voters who want Minority Suppression

Trump rules the Dixiecrat votes in the GOP. They compose about 40% of the party, and vote Minority Suppression over Economic Views.

Democrat portion of Herrenvolks/Dixiecrats/White Privilege Voters will put for Moderate Social Views and Centrist/Left Economics, as long as the Hispanic and African American wings don't squawk too loud.

America is fundamentally built on Herrenvolk-ism

GOP is suffering collision between the majority wing of Movement Conservatism getting attacked by Tea Party and/or crossover of Herrenvolk GOP Dixiecrats, who found a champion in Trump. Who want lower taxes on the poor and higher welfare and protectionism, and minority suppression, which goes against the Movement Conservative/Business wing's desire for balancing towards minorities while smashing welfare and protectionism.

GOP is basically an internal Mexican Standoff that only holds together because of "Fuck The Dems", which is arguably what holds the Dems together atm.

Trump is one of the first canary in the coal mines that the alliances that kept the both parties going since around Nixon/Reagan are destabilizing.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#113569: Feb 27th 2016 at 9:44:34 PM

@Buffett's remarks: That's a side-shot at Sanders and Trump on his part. Sanders and Trump are running on "we need to fix America," so saying that America's on the right track is implicitly calling out their campaigns.

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#113570: Feb 27th 2016 at 10:10:03 PM

South Carolina results:

2016 turnout (est.): ~360k total (125k white, 218k black)

  • Clinton: 73.5% (41 delegates)
  • Sanders: 26.0% (12 delegates)

Compare 2016 results to 2008:

532k total (229k white, 293 black)

  • Obama: 25 delegates
  • Clinton: 12 delegates
  • Edwards: 8 delegates

After 8 years of demographic changes and party shifts, the white share of the Democratic primary vote in 2016 vs 2008 dropped 43-35 SC and 65-59 NV.

Turnout was 30% lower than in 2008, but the black share of the vote increased. This means white Democrats have left the party following the recession and are likely now Trump supporters.

edited 27th Feb '16 10:10:39 PM by SolipsistOwl

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#113571: Feb 27th 2016 at 10:11:14 PM

[up][up]Not really. He said the distribution of wealth is still up for debate, so a socialist like Sanders still has plenty of reason to be upset with the way things are.

edited 27th Feb '16 10:14:43 PM by Clarste

Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#113573: Feb 27th 2016 at 10:21:13 PM

I have absolutely no idea who he is, even after googling his name, and I grew up in the nineties and early oughts.

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#113574: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:03:47 PM

Clinton won Carolina? Hooray!

Who won the Republicans?

Leviticus 19:34
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#113575: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:16:50 PM

All I know about Aaron Carter is he beat up Shaq for no reason. (Mr Rogers won in the end, though.)

Actually that song is the only thing I know that guy from so this doesn't seem like an actually substantial promotion as opposed to oh, Christie who has some actual influence in the world and the party.


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