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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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It's not as if the US hasn't had presidents assassinated before. Some claim the Kennedy assassination was a military coup. And, no offense meant, but your country (whatever it may be - I haven't read your profile) is not exactly the same thing. So you can't infer that what happened there is therefore guaranteed to happen here.
Personally, I think that an assassination would be terrible, no matter what.
As someone said before, what Trump has built will not disappear when/if he loses or if he dies after being elected. The people who support Trump do it because they believe on the things he said, because they believe the US needs someone like Trump to be "great again". I don't think they'll go back to be an invisible (but insidious) force within your country.
Now, the same people who support him are the ones who feel the government has failed them and who think the government would toss them out to pursue a "liberal agenda". They're the ones who wouldn't hesitate to repeat an Oregon Standoff on a bigger and possibly deadlier scale. I'm not even sayng there would be a civil war, but the consequences would still be bad. I mean riots, standoffs, more minorities harrassed and/or killed, etc.
Pretty much what happened in my country with the coup the army did to destroy another right-wing populist (the third one, and a failed one I'm not counting).
edited 27th Feb '16 1:02:04 PM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KVDonald seems to have gained some (un)likely admirers here in Europe...
The Front National and Le Pen are very similar in their economic and immigration platforms to Donald Trump. Not surprised at all about that endorsement.
Also, that thing about Theodore Cruz's facial expessions is not surprising either.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanIncidentally, Hillary's starting to fight dirty
(though to her credit, still on Policy matters rather than character attacks) by using Push Polling in Nevada.
edited 27th Feb '16 1:24:56 PM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Any sort of assassination is bad, not the least because it legitimizes or normalizes patently undemocratic behavior and fires up the former politician's base, more so if it goes unpunished by law. A classical example would be the Gracchi brothers: until a mob of what we would now call right-wing Senators lynched them, violence was more characteristically an export of the state than the feature of Roman civic life we remember them for. Trump may be an American fascist, complete with a star-spangled cape and a fetishized cross, but knocking him off carries its own set of problems. I'd rather watch him run the country into the ground for four to eight years than watch his deeply reactionary base metastasize even more, which would happen in the wake of such a killing.
Side note: Has anyone drawn up the Donald fighting other kaiju?
edited 27th Feb '16 2:34:24 PM by Artificius
"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."Assassinations that occur outside of the context of a coup are generally lone-wolf sort of events, or even if they occur as part of a plan. They may help a political cause, but only in the short term, like when Garfield was assassinated and that prompted his replacement Arthur, who was anti-meritocracy, to help pass the first Civil Service Act.
Moreover, they are rare in the modern context of the last 200 years or so, especially for the head of state or head of government.
I had been out of this thread for a while so I don't know if it was mentioned, but they're allowing open carry now in Texas colleges.
Guess it's lucky then that I graduated before somebody went crazy with one of those things.
But still, I pity those professors that will have to deal with that. AND the other kids.
I'm especially amazed at this training slide.
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That's both horrifying and amusing at once. "Drop certain topics from your curriculum?" I mean, at least rambling professors will refocus, but what if the course is American history in Texas?
edited 27th Feb '16 2:42:41 PM by Artificius
"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."I had the same reaction.
I never wanted to teach, but the idea of limiting my lessons because I don't want to offend my students so bad they'll want to shoot me sounds outrageous.
That part at the end at how even military bases outside war zones don't allow open carry...that's priceless.
You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stayThey really shouldn't. "Well-regulated militia" just about sums a base up until you start letting E-1s through E-4s carry weapons around at their discretion, even and especially if they're scared or angry.
edited 27th Feb '16 3:10:10 PM by Artificius
"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."![]()
Well, considering the far left-wing (in the US at least) is characterized more by hardline opposition to gun possession in its entirety, I'd say that's a lot less likely.
That said, a left-wing motivated shooting might cause people to reconsider, but probably not, because "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," etc.
Regardless, the whole thing about teachers cowering to armed students because they might disagree with you smacks of a bunch of Red Guard bullshit, which is bad no matter if it is motivated by right or left-wing issues.
edited 27th Feb '16 3:17:10 PM by Eschaton
This is such an ugly emotion, in my chest, right now. Condescension and contempt, scorn and bitterness, pity bereft of sympathy. I feel like a man pointing at the Titanic and laughing. Truly, a shameful emotion. But there it is.
By the way, there was a big mass shooting, recently. Any outrage at all? Or is it just business as usual at this point?
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

@The Wanderer:
Did I say I trust Trump? That I take him at his word? That I'd vote for him?
That post was about Trump running a campaign as a Republican with moderate economic principles, and doing well at it. It demonstrates that Trump is A.) a populist candidate and B.) the population has some influence on their candidates this go-around through Trump and Sanders.
edited 27th Feb '16 12:29:09 PM by SolipsistOwl