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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#113451: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:21:16 AM

Still can't believe so many people even tolerate Trump. My mom even kind of likes him, though my dad has said he'll vote Hillary if Trump wins the nomination. Which gives me every reason to pray to god it's Hillary vs Rubio, as anything else would probably wreck my home life.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#113452: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:23:58 AM

Trump represents the ultimate crisis of the Republican party. They don't have a voter foundation anymore, and it's becoming increasingly more obvious that "we'll vote for anything, as long as it's racist" is absolutely true. Trump's combination of fucking Columbian social views and Democratic economic views keeping him as the top candidate is completely shattering them.

[down] Really hoping you're being sarcastic.

edited 27th Feb '16 11:29:55 AM by Luminosity

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#113453: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:27:10 AM

And he's going to win because apparently EVERYONE IN THE FUCKING WORLD HATES CLINTON and Sanders has no fucking chance so we're all doomed.

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#113454: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:30:22 AM

I'd argue Trump is creating a new Republican base of poor and formerly middle-class conservatives, rather than the existing base of current middle class and high income Republicans.

Trump could still capture a fair amount of Republicans voters through just the Democratic economic policies and no racist/nativist/sexist rhetoric, but then the right-wing and liberal media wouldn't have blasted him across the TV and Internet as much as they have and guaranteed him an audience of potential voters.

Remember, Trump's moderate policies are what the establishment Republicans hate. His rhetoric was acceptable and what gave him a podium in the first place. He conned the GOP.

edited 27th Feb '16 11:31:50 AM by SolipsistOwl

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#113455: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:31:11 AM

No, his approval ratings are below Clinton's. His anti-latino rhetoric alone has probably cost him several swing states already.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#113456: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:32:05 AM

Sanders-leaning voters don't hate her, as such. They're just afraid of her passing TPP and TTIP and betraying them in other ways for the sake of her Big Money friends. Because those things are fucking awful.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#113457: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:33:19 AM

Though between that and mr. Berlin-Wall-Was-A-Good-Idea, thats almost too petty to worry about.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#113458: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:34:02 AM

[up][up] No, there are a good deal of Sanders supporters who would rather support Trump than Clinton. Indeed, Sanders' more rabid supporters may very well comprise Clinton's most fanatical hatedom.

edited 27th Feb '16 11:34:19 AM by DrDougsh

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#113459: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:34:12 AM

If Clinton became the nominee and made public promises to uphold Sanders' platforms as the new Democratic agenda, I would vote for her.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#113460: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:35:55 AM

She won't do that since then there is no need to vote for her at all.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#113461: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:37:41 AM

I dunno. If you're forced between the wall and continued economic poverty, the wall might be considered an acceptable trade off for people if it means less getting fucked by their bosses and banks.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#113462: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:38:02 AM

I, again, will have to disagree. Mr Wall has too many people absolutely horrified at the prospect of him getting anywhere near presidency, and that alone is a powerful voter base for anyone who runs against him.

On the other end, a candidate who has consistently favored anti-progressive policies under a Democrat cloak, who has Wall Street donating to her to this day, who's doing the "Atoner" angle less convincingly than fucking Norman Osborn did as things like TPP support and hatred of single-payer slip through that mask anyway, is far more dangerous because unlike Trump, Clinton is actually electable.

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#113463: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:38:44 AM

so i just threw up out of stress because of all this bullshit

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#113464: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:39:31 AM

I've said it before but I'll say it again. I have very serious doubts that Trump will survive getting elected. No way the JCS is gonna sign off on that.

edited 27th Feb '16 11:39:53 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#113465: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:40:18 AM

Oh, come now, if anyone were to assassinate President Trump, they'd do it on his second term, for symmetry's sake.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#113466: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:41:02 AM

[up][up][up] Well, I think you might need to seek some professional help about that. You don't need to get so stressed. Calm down.

edited 27th Feb '16 11:43:16 AM by Greenmantle

Keep Rolling On
SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#113467: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:44:05 AM

Trump has already promised to indict Clinton for her private E-mail server if elected president.

I wouldn't doubt he has those Goldman Sachs transcripts, too, and is just hoping for Clinton as the Dem nominee to pull them out in the general. He'd certainly use them out-of-context.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#113468: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:44:18 AM

Trump might fail, but I'm pretty sure his Hard Right Racism and Moderate/Progressive Economic Leftism is the new Goldwater/Movement Conservatism shift in the party. Don't expect what he's built here to vanish like a fart in the wind. It's going to keep festering in the GOP.

I wouldn't doubt he has those Goldman Sachs transcripts, too, and is just hoping for Clinton as the Dem nominee to pull them out in the general. He'd certainly use them out-of-context.
I just half expect him to show up on a stage with them, reading the most nasty lines, wearing a pair of reading glasses.

There's no way those things aren't getting leaked.

edited 27th Feb '16 11:45:17 AM by PotatoesRock

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#113469: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:46:47 AM

[up][up][up] I'd really like to calm down, but I see all of this bullshit and I just want to curl up into a ball and cry. And I HAVE to follow this to figure out what's going on.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#113470: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:47:40 AM

@Le Garcon: Since I come from a country that suffered 6 military coups in the 20th century (the third of which was to kick out a right-wing populist whom, ironically enough, was part of the first two coups) I can guarantee you that NO MATTER HOW HORRIBLE TRUMP MAY BE AS A PRESIDENT, ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN A MILITARY DICTATORSHIP/COUP. And if they do assassinate him, you're just turning him into a "martyr" for the people who voted for him.

edited 27th Feb '16 11:49:14 AM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#113471: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:47:47 AM

I just half expect him to show up on a stage with them, reading the most nasty lines, wearing a pair of reading glasses.

It'd be like this:

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#113472: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:50:44 AM

Minorities are growing every cycle, the hard right racism will be the death of the GOP sooner or later. Angry white people alone don't win elections.

And frankly if there are Sanders voters out there who would stay home/vote Trump (or third party, basically the same thing) out of spite if Sanders loses/misguided view of Trump's economic stances; fuck em. Don't need them in the party, that's as equally dangerous as Trump's supporters. Same goes for Clinton supporters as well. With Us or Against Us is in full effect in this election; the GOP is too goddamn insane to let even Rubio or Kasich near the Oval Office.

edited 27th Feb '16 11:51:24 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#113473: Feb 27th 2016 at 12:17:58 PM

Trump's platforms include renegotiating NAFTA and trade deals, preserving Medicare and Social Security, taxing hedge funds, and increasing the minimum wage.

I'm sorry, but you spend all your time blasting Hillary for being untrustworthy and flipping her positions and you're taking Donald Fucking Trump at face value?!! The guy who is probably going to be answering questions before court within the next few months for running a fraudulent "university" that wasn't a school at all? You're going to take him at his word? You think Trump will tax hedge funds despite calling for it one day, then copying Jeb's standard "tax cuts for the rich, fuck the poor" tax plan the next? You think Donald Trump can be trusted to raise the minimum wage when he's said that part of the problem is that American wages are too high?

When do we see you question any other politicians the way you go after Clinton? If Clinton acted the same way and said the same thing, we'd be inundated with pages of links about how full of shit she is, but Trump says it and you're willing to entertain the thought that maybe this time he's being honest? Seriously, what the fuck?!

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#113474: Feb 27th 2016 at 12:19:17 PM

[up]x4 - I don't think assassinating Trump would necessarily lead to a military dictatorship. The salient point would be to get him out of the Oval Office. After that, let whoever's legitimately next in line for the presidency step in, because anyone would be better than that crazy orangutan.

This Space Intentionally Left Blank.
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#113475: Feb 27th 2016 at 12:22:10 PM

Again, I live in a country that had military coups. If the army actually chose to kill a democratically elected president they wouldn't allow another election for quite some time.

edited 27th Feb '16 12:23:26 PM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV

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