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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Fighteer, on a related note you might want to check out this
Matt Tabibi article, where he rips apart the presidential election process, how media got in bed with the political establishment and snubbed the people, and how Republicans systematically built a party around using the poor and ignorant and then ignoring them and their issues. A small excerpt from a big article:
What these tweedy Buckleyites at places like the Review don't get is that most people don't give a damn about "conservative principles." Yes, millions of people responded to that rhetoric for years. But that wasn't because of the principle itself, but because it was always coupled with the more effective politics of resentment: Big-government liberals are to blame for your problems.
Elections, like criminal trials, are ultimately always about assigning blame. For a generation, conservative intellectuals have successfully pointed the finger at big-government-loving, whale-hugging liberals as the culprits behind American decline.
But the fact that lots of voters hated the Clintons, Sean Penn, the Dixie Chicks and whomever else, did not, ever, mean that they believed in the principle of Detroit carmakers being able to costlessly move American jobs overseas by the thousands.
"We've got to do something to bring jobs back," says one Trump supporter in Plymouth, when asked why tariffs are suddenly a good idea.
Cheryl Donlon says she heard the tariff message loud and clear and she's fine with it, despite the fact that it clashes with traditional conservatism. "We need someone who is just going to look at what's best for us," she says. I mention that Trump's plan is virtually identical to Dick Gephardt's idea from way back in the 1988 Democratic presidential race, to fight the Korean Hyundai import wave with retaliatory tariffs. Donlon says she didn't like that idea then. Why not? "I didn't like him," she says.
Trump, though, she likes. And so do a lot of people. No one should be surprised that he's tearing through the Republican primaries, because everything he's saying about his GOP opponents is true. They really are all stooges on the take, unable to stand up to Trump because they're not even people, but are, like Jeb and Rubio, just robo-babbling representatives of unseen donors.
As for Marco and Trump, there's this
quickie article from Vox that went up during the debate with a video clip.
Oh, and another day, another mass shooting in America, this time with a guy from Kansas taking an assault rifle and a pistol into work and blowing away a bunch of coworkers. Nothing to see here, it's all part of the new NRA sponsored normal...
edited 26th Feb '16 7:57:45 AM by TheWanderer
| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/12/politics/hillary-clinton-economic-policy-speech/
When Justice Scalia died two weeks ago, he was staying, again for free, at a West Texas hunting lodge owned by a businessman whose company had recently had a matter before the Supreme Court.
Though that trip has brought new attention to the justice’s penchant for travel, it was in addition to the 258 subsidized trips that he took from 2004 to 2014. Justice Scalia went on at least 23 privately funded trips in 2014 alone to places like Hawaii, Ireland and Switzerland, giving speeches, participating in moot court events or teaching classes. Just a few weeks before his death, he was in Singapore and Hong Kong.
Scalia Led Court in Taking Trips Funded by Private Sponsors
edited 26th Feb '16 8:49:17 AM by SolipsistOwl
uh yeah, about that, it's starting to look like a black guy did it after being served with some kind of restraining order.
Look I get the idea that restraining orders can be and often are good things. But if this is what happened that piece of paper really showed this guy right? /sarcasm
Also it looks like the first responding officer actually went in immediately instead of going "well better call for backup and then wait here." probably saved lives there. Admittedly that actually hasn't happened all that much but it has before.
White Supremacists putting out pro-Trump robocalls
In a recording of the robocall sent to TPM, American National Super PAC founder William Daniel Johnson calls on white Americans to brush aside their fears of being branded as racist and stop the “gradual genocide against the white race” by electing Trump.
“The white race is dying out in America and Europe because we are afraid to be called ‘racist,’” Johnson says in the recording, which will be pushed out Wednesday in Vermont and Thursday in Minnesota. Voters in both states will head to the polls on Super Tuesday to vote in the Republican presidential primary.
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The American National Super PAC makes this call to support Donald Trump. I am William Johnson, a farmer and white nationalist.
The white race is dying out in America and Europe because we are afraid to be called “racist.” This is our mindset: It’s okay that our government destroys our children’s future, but don’t call me racist. I am afraid to be called racist. It’s okay to give away our country through immigration, but don’t call me racist. It’s okay that few schools anymorehave beautiful white children as the majority, but don’t call me racist. Gradual genocide against the white race is okay, but don’t call me racist. I am afraid to be called racist. Donald Trump is not a racist, but Donald Trump is not afraid.
Don’t vote for a Cuban. Vote for Donald Trump. (213) 718-3908. This call is not authorized by Donald Trump.
... wow. Just... wow. (Will cross post to race thread.)
| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |I'd like the point out that being an advisor to someone or taking advisors from a previous administration (whichever party) does not automatically mean someone makes the same decisions. First of all, it's usually a different person making the decision and the circumstances of when a decision is made are always different. Further, without being a fly on the wall, one does not know exactly the effect any one advisor has on the policy, given that its a network of people and institutions that a president or even a secetary must deal with.
So drop the advisor served Clinton once upon a time, means shenanigans line of argument please.
I really wish Graham had stayed in longer. His gives-no-fucks commentary remains glorious.
edited 26th Feb '16 9:23:28 AM by FFShinra
There was an article posted recently about the number of "unbiased" pundits on mainstream media supporting Clinton without disclosing the fact they or their companies were employed by her campaign.
It's perfectly relevant to question why someone would criticize the opponent of a candidate without disclosing that they are an adviser to the other.
This has nothing to do with sources, but transparency.
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No, that's an ad hominem attack. The source of the criticism has nothing to do with the quality of the criticism. It's certainly possible that a supporter of one candidate could give criticism biased in favor of that candidate, but you would need to show where the criticism is biased. Simply pointing out that the critic is a supporter of a candidate means nothing.
edited 26th Feb '16 9:34:25 AM by NativeJovian
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.I find the assumption that a white supremacy group running an unauthorized campaign cares what the law thinks to be hilarious.
edited 26th Feb '16 9:43:33 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Neocons may jump ship to Hillary Clinton if Trump wins the GOP nomination
Kagan at least has already said that much. I read his book on the Peliponisian war, a pretty good book, though I found it difficult to remember all the Greek names
And my dad treats statements by him, and Henry Kissinger, as word of god on anything related to other countries.
I wanna make a "it's really about ethics in games journalism" joke right now.
But anyways, some fucker or company expressing their opinion does not make or break the opinion of the people, who are just as biased. So the complaints are irreverently stupid and honest to god comparable to the "He looked at me ugly during classroom lunch break and I bet he has cooties" sort of argument.
If you think journalism is the endgame of decisionmaking of individuals you are just goddamn wrong. If you think pundits can be objective, you are wrong, and if you honestly believe that "they worked once together and now they are in cahoots means corruption" then you are also wrong, since that applies to oh so many things for Sanders.
For example, I could just as easily accuse Sanders of using popular website Reddit with 36 million users, as an ideological pot to foster attacks against Hillary Clinton and this is made evident by his previous relationship with it via his QA which no other politic has done before.
Anyone with half a brain can tell that it is completely stupid and taken out of any logical context. But you throw this to a staunch pro-clinton supporter who is actively looking for information to defamate Sanders, and suddenly you got a facebook subject topic and twitter trending topic for a day.
And if you still think money spent or past relationships = immediate support look at the amount of money Jeb spent, or the amount of money Trump spent on Fox in the past and how Fox treats him now because of what he said, not of what he paid, or the NYT with Clinton, etc etc. People are not stupid enough to be fooled by what certain pundit or certain company said. People are stupid because they confirm their biases by looking at those pundits or companies in the first place without really checking the others and taking them as certain facts.
edited 26th Feb '16 9:46:14 AM by Aszur
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesAnd apparently, it is in roughly half the US.
"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."The hell? Christie, once I thought I liked you for your willingness to work across the aisle when needed. Then I realized you were corrupt because you were spending disaster relief money on your cronies. Then I realized you were a political hack when you cut off the tunnel project. Then I realized you were a bully when you shut down a bridge to punish a mayor who wouldn't back you.
I never thought you were actually stupid. Until now.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Allegedly he was not going to do this until The Donald sweetened the pot by adding cannoli to the already bountiful plate of spaghetti he had offered at first
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes

I've only seen it via an embedded fb link. Vox has the video though.