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#112951: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:35:57 PM

Her favorability ratings are low because people keep getting on her case over things that would be passé in any other candidate. It's a feedback loop, based on a variation of the many-questions fallacy: "How long have you been a corrupt Wall Street tool?"

edited 23rd Feb '16 3:38:09 PM by Fighteer

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#112952: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:38:38 PM

What did she say in her paid speeches to Wall Street? Probably something equivalent to Romney's comments

You're basing that wild assumption on what? Your own person hatred for Clinton? She probably said the exact same thing every other politican who does such speeches said, some pointless pandering drivel.

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#112953: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:39:55 PM

Moreover, politicians and other public figures are paid to give speeches. That is the majority of their job. Getting on their case over it is a serious example of missing the point.

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#112954: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:41:52 PM

If she flatout said she won't release them, you'd have a point.(and I acknowledge people would give her shit anyway) But alas, she said she will, so you're excusing her going back on her word.

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#112955: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:44:08 PM

Candidate favorability ratings typically decline over the course of an election. There's no precedent for a large enough spike in favorability to reclaim any of the key voting blocs she's currently unpopular with.

Does anyone here expect Clinton to suddenly become popular enough to win a landslide victory? Are we just banking on the Republican nominee (Trump? Cruz?) being slightly less likeable?

edited 23rd Feb '16 3:45:09 PM by SolipsistOwl

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#112956: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:47:23 PM

[up][up] Not excusing that, but her doing that doesn't mean the contents are the same as the stuff Romney said.

[up] What key voting blocks is she unpopular with? And yeah I trust the American people to favour Clinton over Facism, non-governance or Theocracy.

edited 23rd Feb '16 3:48:36 PM by Silasw

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#112957: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:50:04 PM

There's no precedent for a large enough spike in favorability to reclaim any of the key voting blocs she's currently unpopular with.
Without looking at the numbers, my question is who she's losing those voting blocs to - Sanders? Or Trump, Cruz, or Rubio? Because if she's losing voters to Sanders, and still wins the nomination, the overwhelming majority of his voters will turn to her. Only if she's lost those blocs to a Republican would I fear her loss in the election.
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edited 23rd Feb '16 3:51:06 PM by BlueNinja0

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#112958: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:53:11 PM

Q-poll: Hillary's favorability is:

  • (-21) overall
  • (-30) among indies
  • (-33) among men
  • (-11) among women

https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/701905702202138624

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#112960: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:59:32 PM

[up][up] And that's compared to Republican candidates having what numbers? What were Obama's numbers before 2012?

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#112961: Feb 23rd 2016 at 4:03:41 PM

You'd want to look at 2008 in that case, I think, as 2012 was a re-election in which the man in question was incumbent.

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#112962: Feb 23rd 2016 at 4:04:58 PM

Fox is running some clips of all the candidates saying they'll reopen Gitmo as soon as they're in office and expand it.

Oh really when?
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#112963: Feb 23rd 2016 at 4:05:00 PM

So does that mean the Benghazi smears worked?

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#112964: Feb 23rd 2016 at 4:06:24 PM

Fox is running some clips of all the candidates saying they'll reopen Gitmo as soon as they're in office and expand it.

The fuck is wrong with these people?

edited 23rd Feb '16 4:06:36 PM by wehrmacht

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#112965: Feb 23rd 2016 at 4:07:31 PM

Quinnipiac Poll, February 5th:

General election matchups among American voters show:

  • Clinton tops Trump 46 - 41 percent;
  • Clinton ties Cruz 45 - 45 percent;
  • Clinton trails Rubio 48 - 41 percent;
  • Sanders thumps Trump 49 - 39 percent;
  • Sanders edges Cruz 46 - 42 percent;
  • Sanders and Rubio are tied 43 - 43 percent. If Bloomberg runs as a third party candidate in some contests, results are:
  • Sanders at 35 percent, with Trump at 36 percent and Bloomberg at 15 percent;
  • Sanders at 37 percent, with Cruz at 36 percent and Bloomberg at 15 percent.

Sanders has a 44 - 35 percent favorability rating among American voters. Ratings for other candidates are:

  • Negative 39 - 56 percent for Clinton;
  • Negative 34 - 59 percent for Trump;
  • Negative 36 - 42 percent for Cruz;
  • Positive 42 - 28 percent for Rubio;
  • Negative 20 - 25 percent for Bloomberg with 53 percent who don't know enough about him to form an opinion.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2321

edited 23rd Feb '16 4:09:15 PM by SolipsistOwl

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#112966: Feb 23rd 2016 at 4:09:17 PM

[up][up]They like torture, they like to appease the Not In My Back Yard folks, and they want to generally stick it to Obama.

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#112967: Feb 23rd 2016 at 4:16:17 PM

[up][up] I belive that poll data this far out isn't very ineffective at predicting things, so unless that's a trend that shows across multiple polls and poll averages I'm not concerned, this far out one poll means nothing and averages are all we should be looking at.

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#112968: Feb 23rd 2016 at 4:21:46 PM

Sigh....Obama should just come out in favor of breathing or eating. Then the republicans would just asphyxiate themselves while doing a hunger strike....

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#112969: Feb 23rd 2016 at 4:25:50 PM

edited 23rd Feb '16 4:26:16 PM by TheHandle

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#112970: Feb 23rd 2016 at 4:26:46 PM

What did she say in her paid speeches to Wall Street?

Why won't he release his birth certificate? Why, why, why?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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#112971: Feb 23rd 2016 at 4:29:23 PM

She could've said "no" instead of "I'll release mine when the others release theirs".

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#112972: Feb 23rd 2016 at 4:29:50 PM

Obama's favorable/unfavorable as of the November 4, 2008 Democratic primary election was 59.9%/31.8%

Obama's favorable/unfavorable as of the November 4, 2008 general election was 61.7%/30.4%

So, Obama never had a deficit in popularity.

39/56 for Clinton

The last time Gallup showed Clinton's favorable rating as low as 54 percent was in August of 2008.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/06/11/poll-hillary-clintons-favorability-lowest-since-2008/

https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/files/2014/06/6zre0zbbrk6ojzogkmjo1q.png

http://www.people-press.org/2015/05/19/hillary-clinton-approval-timeline/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/clinton_favorableunfavorable-644.html

So, Clinton is only two points away from her career low.

edited 23rd Feb '16 4:35:11 PM by SolipsistOwl

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#112973: Feb 23rd 2016 at 4:35:58 PM

[up] Yeah, it's the cumulative effect of all the tarring and feathering at the hands of the media. It's the main reason I'm concerned about her electability.

edited 23rd Feb '16 4:36:07 PM by Fighteer

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#112974: Feb 23rd 2016 at 4:47:55 PM

And the main reason why it is vitally important that someone reasonable is elected lest everything is destroyed and all hope is lost.

(Looking back at my posts, I realise I may sound a tad hysterical)

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#112975: Feb 23rd 2016 at 4:49:29 PM

Nation of Islam Promises To Provide Security For Beyonce Concert, Since Police Refuse. Several police unions announced a boycott of an upcoming Beyonce concert. The police reasoned that without officers there for security, Beyonce would be forced to admit that police brutality is a small price to pay to have “law and order.”

HAHAHA! Now she'll be protected by Brother Mouzoune.

Let's see who dares mess with Beyonce now![lol]

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