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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#112926: Feb 23rd 2016 at 2:33:20 PM

In an effort to steal votes back from Trump, Cruz says that he'll start sending around deportation agents. Maybe we'll get lucky and his own agents will send him back to Canada.

Ted Cruz moved to a more aggressive deportation policy in an interview on Monday night, saying he would look for and deport undocumentedl immigrants using Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents, marking a change from a January interview with CNN.

Appearing on "The O'Reilly Factor" on Fox News, Cruz was repeatedly pressed on the specifics of his deportation plans by host Bill O'Reilly, who asked Cruz, "Would you go look for them, though? As (Donald) Trump would look for them to get them out, would you do that if you were president?" "Bill, of course you would, that's what ICE exists for," Cruz said. "We have law enforcement that looks for people who are violating the laws, that apprehends them and deports them."

O'Reilly offered a hypothetical example of an immigrant from Ireland with "a couple of kids and he's settled into Long Island." "And you, President Cruz, are going to send the feds to his house, take him out, and put him on a plane back to Ireland?" O'Reilly asked.

"You better believe it," Cruz said.

Cruz's comments to O'Reilly stand in stark contrast from his previous rhetoric on the issue. In a January interview with CNN's Jake Tapper, Cruz had said he would not deploy a "deportation force," as Trump as suggested he would do as president. "I don't intend to send jackboots to knock on your door and every door in America. That's not how we enforce the law for any crime," Cruz told Tapper. "We don't live in a police state. We do have law enforcement."

Chad Sweet, chairman of Cruz's presidential campaign, had also said after CNN's Republican presidential debate in December that the Cruz campaign supported "attrition through enforcement."

Cruz, winner of the GOP Iowa caucuses, is at a critical point in his campaign, following two significant losses to Trump in New Hampshire and South Carolina. He also fired his communications director on Monday for circulating a misleading video about rival Marco Rubio. His next test is Tuesday, when Nevada Republicans head to their caucuses.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#112927: Feb 23rd 2016 at 2:33:48 PM

[up][up][up] @Luminosity: I assume he means the Republicans. I'm certainly wondering if they'll bother changing their tune if a Democrat is elected, and how long it would take if they do.

edited 23rd Feb '16 2:34:55 PM by Eschaton

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#112928: Feb 23rd 2016 at 2:35:04 PM

So Cruz has gone back on his word and wants to make his own American Gestapo.

This fucking election...

edited 23rd Feb '16 2:35:43 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#112929: Feb 23rd 2016 at 2:35:07 PM

Not unless they crash and burn in the Senate elections. Or if another conservative judge dies/retires.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#112930: Feb 23rd 2016 at 2:45:45 PM

The Chicaco Tribute confirms that the judge has issued subpoenas and ordered Clinton's top aides questioned under oath.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-idUSMTZSAPEC2N0MQ10D

edited 23rd Feb '16 2:46:18 PM by SolipsistOwl

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#112931: Feb 23rd 2016 at 2:47:25 PM

Now the question is there anything actually there or is it smoke and mirrors.

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#112932: Feb 23rd 2016 at 2:49:23 PM

Sincere question: is there anyone other than me who actually supports Clinton, or is everyone just sort of sighing and going "Well, I guess..."

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#112933: Feb 23rd 2016 at 2:56:55 PM

is there anyone other than me who actually supports Clinton
Either Fighteer or Jovian supports her. Most of us are rooting for Bernie, but willing to vote for her if she wins. And we have a few Republicans the forum hasn't managed to brainwash yet.

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#112934: Feb 23rd 2016 at 2:58:46 PM

Bit late, but yes I meant the GOP saying that. Basically, them being big babies and taking their toys and going home if they don't win.

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#112935: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:01:30 PM

[up][up][up]I'm a Republican, (and my favorite candidate is still Rubio) but I can respect Hillary. I think she'd make an infinitely better president than Trump or Sanders and maybe Cruz, too (at least if what I'm hearing about him's all true). And I've heard she's right of Obama, so she'd be step forward.

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Shameful Display
#112936: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:07:20 PM

I hear China really doesn't like Clinton. And seeing as Sanders thinks normalizing trade relations with them was a mistake, which it was, and seems like the type who would actually call the CCP regime what it is, a bunch of thugs who have bought the world's love with money, they must hate him to. To be honest I can't see how any of these candidates, both Democrat and Republican don't make China squirm. This makes me very happy.evil grin

edited 23rd Feb '16 3:07:27 PM by JackOLantern1337

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#112937: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:11:22 PM

I'm of the "Least Worst Option" with Hillary.

I'd feel infinitely more confident if she started throwing Debbie Wissierman Shultz publically under the proverbial bus.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#112938: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:11:34 PM

I find this questionable since i follow several political threads (i don't do a lot at my job), and this is the only place i've been hearing it from.

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#112939: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:14:16 PM

I like Bernie's stances, but I don't think his proposals stand up to reality. Clinton isn't exciting, but she's qualified as all hell and I think Bernie running against her is doing some good things in pulling her to the left. Basically, I feel like Clinton is the Boring, but Practical to Sanders' Awesome, but Impractical. If we could get a Simple, yet Awesome in here, then I'd be all for it. While I'm wishing, I'd also like world peace and a pony.

That said, I'll certainly vote for whoever wins the Democratic primary, and I won't feel like I have to hold my nose while I do it.

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#112940: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:15:18 PM

[up] Jovian's post sums up my feelings as well. I like Bernie's platform from an ideological standpoint but I have grave concerns about how he plans to implement his ideas. I have concerns about Hillary's tendencies to go centrist, but I like her qualifications and her broad appeal, plus her ability to not sound like a broken record.

edited 23rd Feb '16 3:16:48 PM by Fighteer

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#112941: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:15:31 PM

My "Jack's mentioning China" senses were tingling.

Stop worrying about a dead country.

Oh really when?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#112942: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:16:39 PM

Hillary will have to swear that she won't re-flip on the Treaties of Evil.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#112943: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:20:38 PM

but she's qualified as all hell and I think Bernie running against her is doing some good things in pulling her to the left.
My concern is

"Will she actually stay to the left or try to square the circle and moderate in the General."

I don't like this slippery chameleon feeling I keep getting. It kind of goes hand in hand that while I think the Republicans are tilting at windmills, I can't help but feel there is something criminal she's done when she comes off as.

Changable. Indecisive. Contortionist.

Something about her doesn't feel like it'll stick.

Not when she gets handed a 13 million dollar check from the Health Care Industry and goes from "Single Payer Some Day" to "Single Payer ain't ever happening, ever. Stop pipe dreaming.",

:|

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United Earth
#112944: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:21:11 PM

her ability to not sound like a broken record

You mean her ability to make every album a New Sound Album?

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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#112945: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:25:25 PM

I find this questionable since i follow several political threads (i don't do a lot at my job), and this is the only place i've been hearing it from.
What do you find questionable?

edited 23rd Feb '16 3:25:54 PM by SolipsistOwl

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#112946: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:25:33 PM

[up][up]That's my issue as well. If Clinton sticks to what she's been saying over the last couple months, then I have no problem genuinely supporting her. But notice I have an "if" in there, so you can see I still can't completely buy it.

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#112947: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:28:07 PM

My problem with Clinton is she's basically Romney: out-of-touch and prone to gaffe and scandal. Trump has already promised to hammer down on her about the private E-mail server, and issued a campaign promise of indicting her if elected president.

Seems like an easy issue to alienate independents.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#112948: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:29:24 PM

Count me in as part of the "Hil is the least worst option" crowd.

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#112949: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:31:16 PM

[up][up] There are only scandals because people are really really trying to MAKE scandals. She didn't say that she didn't care about 47% of Americans, for instance.

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#112950: Feb 23rd 2016 at 3:33:02 PM

[up]What did she say in her paid speeches to Wall Street? Probably something equivalent to Romney's comments. And in an even more flammable political climate.

Clinton's favorabilities are also within the same low range of historically losing candidates.

edited 23rd Feb '16 3:33:53 PM by SolipsistOwl


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