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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#112801: Feb 22nd 2016 at 2:44:32 PM

[up][up][up]To be fair it's not only them that play up the threat of China and Russia. Also the Democrats not only speak openly of an era when America is not the number one power in the world, but they seem to think it is a good thing. And both parties rub elbows with China far more than they should. The US military has certainly lost a lot of capability, and Russia and China are taking advantage of our weakness, but if the US isn't the most powerful force, than who is?

Edit: And I still find it surprising that their is so much support for American hegemony. White Southern males sure, but 2/3rd's of Americans has to include a lot of women and minorities. If anything the Republicans, the ones with principles that is, should be rejoicing that the "other" has embraced such a clear element of the national consensus. Clearly their fears are overblown.

edited 22nd Feb '16 2:50:31 PM by JackOLantern1337

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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#112802: Feb 22nd 2016 at 2:46:57 PM

The US military has certainly lost a lot of capability
Citation needed.

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#112803: Feb 22nd 2016 at 2:47:20 PM

[up][up]More importantly, what does it matter?

edited 22nd Feb '16 2:47:43 PM by ILoveDogs

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#112804: Feb 22nd 2016 at 2:52:19 PM

[up][up] We have fewer carriers and nuclear submarines than we had in the 80's. Of course that was at the height of the Cold War, and maintaining such a force, especially the missile subs, would be insane today.

[up] It matters because Americans think it matters. It may not be the most important issue this election, but it could come up in another.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#112806: Feb 22nd 2016 at 2:56:16 PM

Women may favour the military because the US military has actually been a force for women's rights internationally, certain minorities that come from forign countries could have similar feelings.

As for the strength of the US military, it remains the strongest, but that's the same way that Trump is the Republican front-runner, it's the strongest because the rest of the world is not (and never will be) united against it as a single group.

[up][up] Are the carriers and missiles that subs carry not much more powerful now? What's the tonnage comparison instead of the raw numbers. Plus the US's main rival (Russia) also has greatly reduced capabilities.

edited 22nd Feb '16 2:57:43 PM by Silasw

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#112807: Feb 22nd 2016 at 3:01:26 PM

[up] Same as the old ones in both cases. We should really be discussing things like that more in the Military thread. But anyway, this leads to an observation I've had. Americans cannot think of their nation as "just another country." People on the right, and in many ways the average citizen, think it is/was, the greatest country on Earth. Some on the left, (and teens needing to angsttongue) view it as the most evil and repressive empire to have ever besmirched the face of our beloved planet. But I've never heard anyone say the country is just an ordinary normal country. And in some ways, I think we Americans find this more terrifying than being an evil empire.

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#112808: Feb 22nd 2016 at 3:06:14 PM

In classic Republican-speech, Kasich praises the women who "left their kitchens" to support him.

Ohio Gov. John Kasich told a Virginia crowd Monday that women "left their kitchens" for him in an early statehouse race, quickly prompting a retort from one woman voter there. "And how did I get elected? Nobody was, I didn't have anybody for me. We just got an army of people who, um, and many women, who left their kitchens to go out and go door-to-door and to put yard signs up for me," the Republican presidential candidate said Monday, describing moments from his early career in the 1970s, during a town hall in Fairfax, Virginia.

A woman voter later shot back. "First off, I want to say — your comment earlier about the women came out the kitchen to support you? I'll come to support you, but I won't be coming out of the kitchen," she said.

Campaign spokesperson Chris Schrimpf explained the remark as how the candidate's "campaigns have always been homegrown affairs."

"They've literally been run out of his friends' kitchens and many of his early campaign teams were made up of stay-at-home moms who believed deeply in the changes he wanted to bring to them and their families," Schrimpf said in a statement. "That's real grassroots campaigning and he's proud of that authentic support. To try and twist his comments into anything else is just desperate politics."

Hillary Clinton's campaign weighed in shortly after Kasich's remarks, tweeting, "It's 2016, A woman's place is ... wherever she wants to be."

At the town hall, Kasich also fielded questions about his decision to sign a bill into law in Ohio defunding Planned Parenthood. Kasich said his state offered "robust funding for women's health," but that they should not "be captive to delivering it through an organization that has largely discredited itself."

Planned Parenthood blasted the Kasich remark Monday, just a day after Kasich signed a bill in Ohio barring the state from contracting with the group. "This is flat-out insulting. Kasich's condescending attitude toward women needs to stop, whether it's on the campaign trail or back at home in Ohio," said Dawn Laguens, vice president of Planned Parenthood Action Fund, in a statement. "Kasich's flippant attitude toward women's lives is causing real harm."

[power and tonnage] Same as the old ones in both cases.
Uh, no. In the last 15 years, we've retired all the non-Nimitz class carriers, which were all smaller than the Nimitz class, while continuing to build new Nimitz and now the even-larger Ford-class carriers. We stopped pretending that the we had active carriers that weren't fit to leave port.
I've never heard anyone say the country is just an ordinary normal country. And in some ways, I think we Americans find this more terrifying than being an evil empire.
... you may have a point here. Even the people who hate America take the idea of American Exceptionalism for granted.

edited 22nd Feb '16 3:06:51 PM by BlueNinja0

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#112809: Feb 22nd 2016 at 3:09:19 PM

American Exceptionalism is the great achilles heel of American politics in general. I say that with no glee (as I am an American myself), but it's true.

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#112810: Feb 22nd 2016 at 3:14:12 PM

The liberal media is smearing Kasich. You have to recall that he's describing a race over 20 years ago. In America at that time, it actually would have been big to see otherwise non-employed women campaigning actively. It demonstrated a shift in Republican party-voter relations.

Kasich is not a good candidate. Kasich is not 'moderate.' This quote, however, is overblown.

edited 22nd Feb '16 3:16:38 PM by SolipsistOwl

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#112811: Feb 22nd 2016 at 3:18:42 PM

If the liberal media think Kasich is even worthy of smearing, than he must really be making strides.

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#112812: Feb 22nd 2016 at 3:24:38 PM

he's describing a race over 20 years ago.
Has his thinking kept up with the pace of progress, because it sure doesn't sound like it.

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#112813: Feb 22nd 2016 at 3:38:33 PM

[up][up][up][up] I can only imagine what will happen when the bubble bursts. The worse effect of all is it allows us to cling to an antiquated political system and Constitution.

Edit: Though I would say our greatest Achilles heel is our citizens pathetically short attention span for any issue, be it foreign or domestic. That or our obsession with obtaining a good lifestyle, though it could also be our greatest strength, as most of our progress, both social and technological, has been born by our citizens desire to live the good life.

edited 22nd Feb '16 3:41:05 PM by JackOLantern1337

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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#112814: Feb 22nd 2016 at 3:48:06 PM

Yet despite being the "Strongest military on Earth'', the US Military still hasn't replaced the 50-year old (M16) and 20-year old (M4) rifles that they still use, while much less powerful militaries (And even other really big ones like Russia and China) have been replacing their old rifles with much more modern stuff.

edited 22nd Feb '16 3:49:07 PM by Bat178

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#112815: Feb 22nd 2016 at 3:49:11 PM

Do they need replacing?

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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#112816: Feb 22nd 2016 at 3:51:26 PM

[up] They are starting to show their age when compared to some other, more modern designs.

edited 22nd Feb '16 3:51:35 PM by Bat178

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#112817: Feb 22nd 2016 at 3:52:21 PM

Those guns do not need replacing.

War is obsolete, from the American perspective. We should drastically reduce our military budget, and re-allocate towards INTERPOL and other investigative organizations. You catch terrorists with contacts and information, not with guns and bombs.

Besides, we still use the M-16 and M-4 because they're good designs. You don't re-design the wheel.

edited 22nd Feb '16 3:53:23 PM by SolipsistOwl

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#112818: Feb 22nd 2016 at 3:54:12 PM

Seeing as the AR-15 platform already has what the AK-12 is going for, increased modularity/flexibility via interchangeable receivers, barrels and other ancillary attachments, doing so is pretty much unnecessary unless the LSAT program's caseless or polymer cased ammo catches on.

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#112819: Feb 22nd 2016 at 3:55:07 PM

They're piss awful as long as they still use direct impingmentation.

And war is about as far from obsolete as it gets. ISIS can't be defeated by Interpol and the Russians can't be matched with investigative units.

Oh really when?
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#112820: Feb 22nd 2016 at 3:59:55 PM

[up][up][up] I sincerely hope your joking.

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#112821: Feb 22nd 2016 at 4:00:38 PM

Why America Needs Donald Trump to Win the Nomination

Essentially to keep Cruz out. Examples of him being a nasty piece of work are given.

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#112822: Feb 22nd 2016 at 4:01:09 PM

You catch terrorists with contacts and information, not with guns and bombs.

It's kinda hard to catch terrorists who the local authorities don't want to arrest unless you either use military force or remove the local authorities by force.

As for war being obsolete, I imagine that the people of South Korea, Libya, Kurdistan and many other countries would disagree with that, terrorism might be the only threat to the US directly but it's not the only threat out there. Now that may not effect the US directly but it still matters, unless you belive the US should go Switzerland and sit by as the world burns, profiting off the ash.

edited 22nd Feb '16 4:02:29 PM by Silasw

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#112823: Feb 22nd 2016 at 4:03:39 PM

Cruz has always struck me as a politician version of Anders Breivik or John W Gacy - someone who looks like a nice fellow but is actually a seriously bad person with the ability of doing bad things.

That, and I think Donald Trump is actually a better person than Cruz - Cruz has been a fairly hard immigration opponent too, and he's too floppey on TPP as well.

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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#112824: Feb 22nd 2016 at 4:04:21 PM

The only reason we're in this situation is because of covert CIA operations in the Middle East during the Cold War and Iraq War. We've effectively radicalized the Middle East, and bombing civilians and hospitals while our allies rape, torture, and crucify (literally) won't make ISIS or Muslims or Arabs hate us any less.

It's not exactly rocket science: leave the Middle East alone, and they'll leave us alone. That includes ceasing all support for human rights violators that escalate the situation—Syria, Saudi Arabia, Israel, primarily.

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#112825: Feb 22nd 2016 at 4:08:29 PM

Leaving them alone isn't an option. Globalization means that what happens over there matters over here.

Isolationism is not and never will be possible again. Not for us or for any nation.

Oh really when?

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