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Cronosonic (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#112701: Feb 20th 2016 at 9:03:35 PM

Seems that Sanders actually did even better against Clinton in Nevada than Obama did in 2008, which should say something.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#112702: Feb 20th 2016 at 9:04:48 PM

Still, this could cut Sanders' momentum heading into South Carolina and beyond.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#112703: Feb 20th 2016 at 10:12:36 PM

Regarding primaries: I don't understand why we can't just do the primaries over a day or a weekend, really. It's not like we don't do the actual election the same way. Guess that's too boring or whatever.

Also, the more I hear "winner take all" the more annoyed I get. That doesn't sound like very good democracy to me.

edited 20th Feb '16 10:13:12 PM by AceofSpades

Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#112704: Feb 20th 2016 at 10:19:44 PM

[up]That's actually a bit of the underlying logic that leads to only two viable parties in our system. In a more perfect world, we could get folks to pay attention to election mechanics in addition to whether or not their taxes will go up or the out group will be able to participate.

edited 20th Feb '16 10:23:37 PM by Artificius

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#112705: Feb 20th 2016 at 10:28:43 PM

"In a more perfect world, we could get folks to pay attention to election mechanics in addition to whether or not their taxes will go up or the out group will be able to participate."

In a more perfect world, communism would actually function on a larger scale than like a dozen or so people. America runs on self-interest; the source of most of its failings is also its fuel.

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#112706: Feb 20th 2016 at 10:32:45 PM

In theory, winner-takes-all and first-past-the-post systems lead to outcomes in which there's a lot of fighting during the election, but actual governing gets done afterward. This as opposed to election by proportional representation and so forth, in which there's less fighting during the election but a lot of fighting during the actual governing. Of course, then Gingrich and company rode in and ruined things by purposefully making things more parliamentary in style in order to win elections, but in theory FPTP is better for compromise-making.

This is just in general and on an overall level, by the way. I suppose it's not all that applicable to primaries at the moment.

edited 20th Feb '16 10:34:19 PM by darksidevoid

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#112707: Feb 20th 2016 at 10:36:55 PM

[up][up]So to explain why our collective whining about the lack of relevant third parties has less to do with the man crushing them and more to do with a bias inherent to all first-past-the-post, single-seat systems, we should focus on how it affects the audience member specifically?

[up]The one aspect of proportional representation that keeps drawing me back is how quickly those new parties can form if there's an unrepresented electorate, though they stick around a lot longer than they need to.

edited 20th Feb '16 10:41:14 PM by Artificius

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#112708: Feb 20th 2016 at 11:34:19 PM

So Trump won 44 of South Carolina's 50 delegates. I don't know when the remaining 6 delegates will be assigned.

So here's each candidates official delegate count.

Trump - 61

Cruz - 11

Rubio - 10

Kasich - 5

Carson - 3

Super Tuesday is the GOP's last chance to stop Trump.

edited 20th Feb '16 11:39:29 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#112709: Feb 20th 2016 at 11:53:10 PM

I think South Carolina needs a few lobotomies. The majority of that state are seriously considering Trump legitimately becoming the president?!!

edited 20th Feb '16 11:53:55 PM by Bat178

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#112710: Feb 20th 2016 at 11:53:55 PM

Well he's said all the right things. Have you ever been to South Carolina?

They love the idea of putting Muslims in camps and building walls to keep brown people out.

Oh really when?
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#112711: Feb 20th 2016 at 11:54:51 PM

Months ago I would have laughed at the notion; but right now I don't see how Trump isn't set for the nomination. Barring a scandal that manages to get through his teflon, a historical comeback by one of his opponents (who apart from Kasich are even worse), or Trump dying, I don't see the Donald's march stopping.

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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#112712: Feb 20th 2016 at 11:56:34 PM

[up][up] South Carolina seem to embody the Deep South stereotype.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#112713: Feb 20th 2016 at 11:57:47 PM

If Kasich, Rubio, and Jeb's supporters all join up behind one canidate they might stand a chance.

Other than that though...

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#112715: Feb 21st 2016 at 12:34:28 AM

[up] Turns out Mr. Pitts was just trolling / trying to make a point about gun control.

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#112716: Feb 21st 2016 at 6:12:13 AM

Anyone feel like reflecting on Jeb's campaign, where it all went wrong? I like the town hall which went viral back in May, when that student caused him to stumble for weeks afterward on his brother's legacy and the Iraq war, while giving the media a perfect soundbite: "Your brother created ISIS."

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#112717: Feb 21st 2016 at 6:14:21 AM

That GWB was going to be an issue for Jeb! was something I expected, really. That none of the "establishment" candidates for Republican presidential nomination are particularly compelling is something I still perceive, too.

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#112718: Feb 21st 2016 at 6:14:23 AM

It went wrong between 2001 and 2008, especially 2003.

Jeb! Had he meant to win, he should have disowned his brother and played up the differences.

edited 21st Feb '16 6:16:11 AM by TheHandle

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#112719: Feb 21st 2016 at 6:17:56 AM

The majority of South Carolina didn't vote for Trump, he got 30ish percent of the vote, if you combine the Rubio, Bush and Kasich votes then they have more then Trump.

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#112720: Feb 21st 2016 at 6:29:16 AM

Here's praying Sanders doesn't go third party because otherwise Hilary will win

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Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#112721: Feb 21st 2016 at 6:44:30 AM

Disowning his brother would have carried its own set of problems with the base. 2003 does seem a good moment then, maybe running was a bit of a Morton's Fork?

[up]We'll see. It's not especially surprising that Clinton carried Nevada, though her campaign had made disowning overtures in the weeks just prior. Not much has changed for Sanders, he'll still need a clear mandate from the base to start flipping superdelegates. If that's going to happen now, it'll happen after super tuesday instead of the 27th.

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#112722: Feb 21st 2016 at 7:03:47 AM

From what I've heard, Sanders seems to be trending upwards.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#112723: Feb 21st 2016 at 7:22:45 AM

Sanders isn't an idiot. He knows he won't accomplish anything as a third candidate, and he'd much rather see Clinton in the White House than Trump, Cruz or Rubio.

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#112724: Feb 21st 2016 at 7:28:29 AM

Bloomberg, however...

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#112725: Feb 21st 2016 at 7:31:19 AM

Now that Clinton's won Nevada, and is likely going to have won South Carolina by month's end, I'd say Bloomberg's less likely to jump in.


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