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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Bernie still needs to win some of the bigger states, and that includes places like Florida and Texas where he is at a disadvantage compared to Clinton. The string of southern primaries could kill his momentum.
Yes. Unless someone decides to run as a third party candidate. Which I could see Trump doing if he feels like the GOP has slighted him. But I could never see Sanders (or Clinton) deciding to suicide bomb the country like that.
edited 9th Feb '16 7:31:38 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Yes, I hope Sanders makes it clear that Clinton has his full support if she gets the nod. And he should encourage his supporters to vote for her and even join her campaign; cause A) she's closer to them than any of the GOP maniacs and B) he's probably dragged her quite a bit to the left.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Clinton did so for Obama back in 08, though they did the smart thing and saved her Limit Break (Bill) for the 11th hour.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Shilling your opponent if they win is standard fare in Democratic politics. The question is whether Bernie's supporters will listen. Many of them haven't been in politics before; they see his campaign as a chance to overthrow the system that's held them down. If he loses, a good portion of those voters will stay home.. or worse, switch to Trump.
You are referring to the "Berniebros". He doesn't condone them, but they are a demographic that conducts vicious online attacks on Clinton supporters or anyone who badmouths Sanders. It is, unfortunately, the toxic side of the political spectrum, and those people share many traits with Trump's more ardent supporters.
edited 9th Feb '16 7:37:30 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Well, yeah. There are competing demographics here. A Clinton win would basically ensure that a majority of women and an overwhelming majority of blacks and Hispanics turn out for the Democrats. A Sanders win would clinch a huge number of young, white males.
edited 9th Feb '16 7:44:44 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
Difficult to say. Clinton's poaching people from the Republican side and Sanders is exciting people who don't usually vote. It stands to reason that the former would go back there and the latter would stay home should their candidate not win the nomination. But that's a very imprecise and general statement. It is hard to imagine "the broads and the blacks" turning out for Trump over Sanders.
edited 9th Feb '16 7:51:47 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"HuffPost is taking Trump's victory well.
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The Bernie Bros narrative is massively overstated. Trolls getting hostile against their favored candidate's opponents are hardly unique to Bernie. You can spend ten seconds in any comments section and find a ton of them for every major candidate. But since Bernie has had less news exposure than Hillary, the bad apples in his support base are the only ones getting attention on the Democratic side.
The narrative is mostly being used to force Bernie to "admit" that his campaign has some kind of unique sexism problem, which bloggers and journalists in Hillary's support base will jump on. And Hillary does nothing to dissuade the notion that this is a Bernie problem, considering how often she uses "I'm a woman" as an applause line at debates with him to shield her establishment ties to Wall Street from criticism.
That's right, boys. Mondo cool.But it's noticeable here in that there are only two options. So inciting people to vote for Bernie by painting Hillary as this Wall Street flip-flopper will hurt them in the long run if he doesn't win. I'm sure that there are a lot of, say, Kasich followers getting angry at Carly Fiorina, too, but neither of them have a chance because of their massive field.
edited 9th Feb '16 7:55:12 PM by ILoveDogs
True, but that's less because of Bernie Bros and more because Hillary is an authoritarian corporate leftist while Bernie is comparatively more left-wing libertarian. They're just very different candidates in too many ways for Bernie supporters to be satisfied enough with a Hillary candidacy to enthusiastically go to the polls for her.
edited 9th Feb '16 7:58:38 PM by Lennik
That's right, boys. Mondo cool.I imagine there are Sanders supporters out there who hate the establishment enough to switch to Trump, but I'd be surprised if they ended up being significantly influential. Especially since Trump is certainly anti-establishment, but he never struck me the anti-corruption type, whereas Sanders' ideological purity has been a strength (and a weakness).
And damn, HuffPo really is going all out.
edited 9th Feb '16 8:01:06 PM by Eschaton

Look, don't let the internet guilt you into voting for Bernie if you don't want to. I'm afraid they're throwing the baby out with the bathwater in general.