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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#111501: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:25:08 PM

Look, don't let the internet guilt you into voting for Bernie if you don't want to. I'm afraid they're throwing the baby out with the bathwater in general.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#111502: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:29:18 PM

What's the baby and what's the bathwater. :| Is Hillary the baby?

Actually, how does it work. There's only going to be one candidate for each party by election time, isn't there?

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#111503: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:30:18 PM

Bernie still needs to win some of the bigger states, and that includes places like Florida and Texas where he is at a disadvantage compared to Clinton. The string of southern primaries could kill his momentum.

[up]Yes. Unless someone decides to run as a third party candidate. Which I could see Trump doing if he feels like the GOP has slighted him. But I could never see Sanders (or Clinton) deciding to suicide bomb the country like that.

edited 9th Feb '16 7:31:38 PM by Rationalinsanity

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#111504: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:31:18 PM

[up][up] By what I mean, the Internet is trying so hard to get people to vote for Bernie that, if he loses and Hilary gets the nom, people might just not vote for anyone, leading to a Republican victory.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#111505: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:32:55 PM

Yes, I hope Sanders makes it clear that Clinton has his full support if she gets the nod. And he should encourage his supporters to vote for her and even join her campaign; cause A) she's closer to them than any of the GOP maniacs and B) he's probably dragged her quite a bit to the left.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#111506: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:34:09 PM

The least they could do is ask their supporters to vote for the other one if one of them loses.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#111507: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:35:11 PM

Clinton did so for Obama back in 08, though they did the smart thing and saved her Limit Break (Bill) for the 11th hour.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#111508: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:35:27 PM

But everyone nowadays is all "Hillary is a RINO who broke into my house and kinkshamed my dog" and shit like that.

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#111509: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:35:57 PM

Shilling your opponent if they win is standard fare in Democratic politics. The question is whether Bernie's supporters will listen. Many of them haven't been in politics before; they see his campaign as a chance to overthrow the system that's held them down. If he loses, a good portion of those voters will stay home.. or worse, switch to Trump.

[up] You are referring to the "Berniebros". He doesn't condone them, but they are a demographic that conducts vicious online attacks on Clinton supporters or anyone who badmouths Sanders. It is, unfortunately, the toxic side of the political spectrum, and those people share many traits with Trump's more ardent supporters.

edited 9th Feb '16 7:37:30 PM by Fighteer

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#111510: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:36:14 PM

And that's what's potentially dangerous; the Sanders supporters getting petty and staying home out of spite.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#111511: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:39:57 PM

And it's what I'm afraid of! I'm worried that Clinton's so unpopular that people will look at her and Cruztrump and just not do anything.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#111512: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:41:46 PM

Though minorities and women will likely look at Bad Hair Hitler and the Canadian (we're sorry guys) Demagogue and probably run to the Democratic ticket out of sheer terror.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
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#111513: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:44:34 PM

Well, yeah. There are competing demographics here. A Clinton win would basically ensure that a majority of women and an overwhelming majority of blacks and Hispanics turn out for the Democrats. A Sanders win would clinch a huge number of young, white males.

edited 9th Feb '16 7:44:44 PM by Fighteer

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#111514: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:48:32 PM

[up] Where would the minority and female vote go if Sanders won, then?

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#111515: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:50:54 PM

While he's not as popular among those groups, they'd probably still vote for him. He's a basically decent guy with good ideas, even if most of us think Clinton is better. Frankly, I think they're both head and shoulders above the Republican options.

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Lost in Space
#111516: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:50:54 PM

[up][up]Difficult to say. Clinton's poaching people from the Republican side and Sanders is exciting people who don't usually vote. It stands to reason that the former would go back there and the latter would stay home should their candidate not win the nomination. But that's a very imprecise and general statement. It is hard to imagine "the broads and the blacks" turning out for Trump over Sanders.

edited 9th Feb '16 7:51:47 PM by Fighteer

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#111517: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:51:02 PM

[up][up][up] Home most likely, if not with Sanders as well. Defiantly not with the Republicans.

edited 9th Feb '16 7:51:37 PM by JackOLantern1337

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#111518: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:52:15 PM

HuffPost is taking Trump's victory well.

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Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#111519: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:53:21 PM

The Bernie Bros narrative is massively overstated. Trolls getting hostile against their favored candidate's opponents are hardly unique to Bernie. You can spend ten seconds in any comments section and find a ton of them for every major candidate. But since Bernie has had less news exposure than Hillary, the bad apples in his support base are the only ones getting attention on the Democratic side.

The narrative is mostly being used to force Bernie to "admit" that his campaign has some kind of unique sexism problem, which bloggers and journalists in Hillary's support base will jump on. And Hillary does nothing to dissuade the notion that this is a Bernie problem, considering how often she uses "I'm a woman" as an applause line at debates with him to shield her establishment ties to Wall Street from criticism.

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#111520: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:53:26 PM

But it's noticeable here in that there are only two options. So inciting people to vote for Bernie by painting Hillary as this Wall Street flip-flopper will hurt them in the long run if he doesn't win. I'm sure that there are a lot of, say, Kasich followers getting angry at Carly Fiorina, too, but neither of them have a chance because of their massive field.

edited 9th Feb '16 7:55:12 PM by ILoveDogs

Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#111521: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:57:37 PM

[up]True, but that's less because of Bernie Bros and more because Hillary is an authoritarian corporate leftist while Bernie is comparatively more left-wing libertarian. They're just very different candidates in too many ways for Bernie supporters to be satisfied enough with a Hillary candidacy to enthusiastically go to the polls for her.

edited 9th Feb '16 7:58:38 PM by Lennik

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#111522: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:57:57 PM

I imagine there are Sanders supporters out there who hate the establishment enough to switch to Trump, but I'd be surprised if they ended up being significantly influential. Especially since Trump is certainly anti-establishment, but he never struck me the anti-corruption type, whereas Sanders' ideological purity has been a strength (and a weakness).

And damn, HuffPo really is going all out.

edited 9th Feb '16 8:01:06 PM by Eschaton

Nihlus1 Since: Jul, 2015
#111523: Feb 9th 2016 at 7:59:38 PM

I think the Trump focus is damaging. Mostly because it gives the false impression that certain other candidates are A-okay because they're not Trump.

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#111524: Feb 9th 2016 at 8:00:09 PM

[up][up][up] I'm not even blaming Berniebros, either! I spend a lot of time on Tumblr, and there's that, too (and Tumblr is decidedly not a bro-y place)

[up] Agreed. The "Anyone But Trump" rhetoric just leads way for Cruz.

edited 9th Feb '16 8:00:43 PM by ILoveDogs

Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#111525: Feb 9th 2016 at 8:02:21 PM

I actually think Cruz is much worse than Trump. The guy wants a theocracy.

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