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#111451: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:03:35 PM

Keynes went against the academic consensus, and guess who history proved right at every. turn.

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#111452: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:16:55 PM

So did Emmanuel Velikovsky, and he was proved to be, in the words of Oscar Wilde, a complete fucking spazmoloid.

But Keynes was a respected academic economist who had written on the economy of British India, served in the Treasury during WWI, and who remained highly influential throughout the postwar years. He was a working academic, not some random politician or media commentator. He also released his methodology and his maths so other people could see he was right.

Keynes also wasn't 'proved right at every turn'; his views on Versailles, for example, we now know to be misplaced. Germany's economic turmoil following WWI was not caused by Allied reparations, but idiotic war financing decisions by the German government and deliberate sabotage by the postwar German central bank.

Academics don't have a monopoly on the correct, but generally being out of step with professional academia is a sign you've lost the epistemic bet, and you need something better than a thought-terminating justification like 'someone else also went against the consensus, in a completely different context, so I'll do the same because it confirms my preconceptions'.

edited 9th Feb '16 4:31:47 PM by Achaemenid

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#111453: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:58:52 PM

Bernie has a solid lead over Clinton in Democrat exit polls (#Feel The Bern) and Trump is dominating in the Republican exit polls (FUCK!!!!!) http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/feb/09/new-hampshire-primary-results-polls-us-election-2016-live-coverage?page=with:block-56ba8734e4b0a789c640f085#block-56ba8734e4b0a789c640f085

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#111454: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:02:07 PM

Rubio is currently doing worse than both Kasich and Bush in New Hampshire despite supposedly doing better than them in the polls. Although the night is still young, this might spell bad news for Marco.

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edited 9th Feb '16 5:03:59 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#111455: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:05:05 PM

I suspect that Rubio's debate debacle is going to spell the end of him with voters. Bernie's lead shouldn't surprise anyone. As for Trump leading, I'll deal with it if it means no Cruz to fight in the general. Trump has the best chance of ripping the GOP asunder as he carries them to humiliating failure.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:06:59 PM by Fighteer

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#111456: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:11:26 PM

Goddamn, it looks like Dem primary is already over! 20 of the 24 delegates have already been assigned, and Bernie has been declared the winner.

Sanders (56%) = 13 delegates

Clinton (42%) = 7 delegates.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:14:13 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#111457: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:13:45 PM

That's not as big a lead as Sanders was hoping for. He has to carry a lot of momentum into the southern states, which he is at a huge disadvantage in.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:14:06 PM by Fighteer

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#111458: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:14:06 PM

damn... guess we're watching a democratic revolution in progress, this is actually kinda exciting

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#111459: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:15:49 PM

Rubio has now dropped to 5th place, as Cruz is now ahead of him. If he goes under 10% he won't be given any delegates.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:16:01 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#111460: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:19:56 PM

Anything short of 60 percent for Bernie is a letdown, as he has to carry a huge morale advantage into Clinton's strongholds in the coming weeks to have any chance of beating her in the long term.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:20:11 PM by Fighteer

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#111461: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:19:59 PM

What exactly went so wrong for Rubio during the last debate? Doing a quick bit of googling sounds like he just had little new to say or add, and his responses were overly scripted.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#111462: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:20:49 PM

[up]When are the Dems going to get their mid-term act together?
I suspect a lot of this is:

A) The DNC and its state spinoffs are focused on funding their chasing of the presidency, thus there's little effort or desire to fund State/Local Level power.

B) There's been noise made that young Democratic voters are fairly more ideological or definitely more concerned about authenticity, so if you're trying to fake it, you're going to lose votes if they don't find you authentic to your positions.

C) 2014 had a lot of Democrats try and step away from he President and his plans over perception that Obama was an electoral noose, and tried to centerize themselves. A lot of young voters didn't come out to vote. Obama is fairly popular-ish with younger voters, so saying "No, I don't stand with the president" is basically going "Don't vote for me".

Basically the DNC and the Democrat leaning Youth are at odds together because the DNC are Neoliberals and the youngest voters are a bunch of Socialists who prize commitment to one's positions and the President.

What exactly went so wrong for Rubio during the last debate? Doing a quick bit of googling sounds like he just had little new to say or add, and his responses were overly scripted.
He's been repeating stump speech lines repeatedly, reusing the same scripted dialogue. Christie called him out on doing it three to four times and the press have had a field day that he's an inexperienced yutz who only knows his script. Which tanked him with the Donor and Establishment.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:22:24 PM by PotatoesRock

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#111463: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:21:24 PM

[up][up] He was called out on his canned responses by Christie as well as by others, and every time he said the exact same thing, like a broken record. The point of the accusations was that he was scripted, and he responded by reading from his script. It was hilarious and sad at the same time.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:21:31 PM by Fighteer

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#111464: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:23:54 PM

And this is all from Sunday's debate.

EDIT: And Rubio is now under the 10% threshold.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:33:49 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#111465: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:25:03 PM

Goddamn, it looks like Dem primary is already over!
Well, it's technically not over, since all votes have yet to be counted and that margin could move up or down, but yeah, it's basically a blowout.

MSNBC roundtable reporting that they were given a three-page memo from Camp Clinton, embargoed until 8:00 (AKA close of voting), which defensively talks about why they still have a path to the nomination. It's kind of unprecedented, honestly.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#111466: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:26:05 PM

[up]So Hillary's side gave MSNBC a concession speech before things even got underway?

edited 9th Feb '16 5:26:13 PM by sgamer82

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#111467: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:26:34 PM

It seems as though the GOP 2000 is malfunctioning. Can we get a mechanic?

Also, I've said it before but I sure hope that Clinton getting the nom won't mean that all the disillusioned millenials will stay home and let Trumpcruz win.

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#111468: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:28:05 PM

[up][up]Correct. Not exactly a speech, but a memo by her campaign manager. MSNBC said they received it at about 7:30.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:29:22 PM by darksidevoid

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#111469: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:31:58 PM

At least the Green Party is hoping that all the disaffected youngsters come flocking to them.

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#111470: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:35:58 PM

Which will split the vote even further.

Nihlus1 Since: Jul, 2015
#111471: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:36:42 PM

56 vs 42? In 94% white, moderately wealthy, hardcore liberal New Hampshire?

Damn. Bernie looks pretty screwed going into Nevada and South Carolina.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:37:16 PM by Nihlus1

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#111472: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:36:56 PM

Reacting to NH as if it's a defeat for her campaign is a serious mistake for Clinton. She knew going in that it was a long shot.

[up] I have to agree there. The demographics do not look good for Bernie in South Carolina, et. al.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:37:30 PM by Fighteer

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#111473: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:37:42 PM

Pretty share hardcore liberal doesn't describe New Hampshire. The rest of New England, maybe, but I usually hear it described as more libertarian.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:38:14 PM by LSBK

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#111474: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:38:02 PM

56% isn't great for Sanders, definitely, given that he was projected off into the 60s.

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#111475: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:40:47 PM

Why expat Americans are giving up their citizenship. Shockingly it isn't from embarrassment at being associated with a nation most see as a backwards imperialist bully coming apart at the seams, it's because of double taxation.

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